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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by komali2 »

throaway123213 wrote: post #512
komali2 wrote: post #367

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> what are the odds that this problem organically appeared and then they happen to be able to take advantage of it? Quite low. Borders weren't open to fabricate an excuse to engage in authoritarianism - the excuse was simply fabricate, whole-cloth, with no basis in reality to justify it. There is no immigration problem in the USA. Large portions of the American economy are dependent on immigration, documented or othe…

Illegal immigration is a problem whether you want to admit or or not. Just allow the amount of legal immigrants needed. Saying illegal immigration is not a problem is just as much of a smokescreen as saying immigrants are "the" problem.

Ah, well if it's a problem, it should be trivially easy for you to illustrate how exactly it's a problem, using hard facts and numbers. I earnestly invite you to do so!

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Post by victorbjorklund »

amarant wrote: post #242
nephihaha wrote: post #162

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Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

There are downsides with it since you are at the mercy of the corporation that owns the Swedish Digital ID. ny services trying to use this Swedish digital ID who these banks don't like can be cut off at any point and you are not allowed to provide alternative logins so it's only allowed to use digital ID if you use it.

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Post by theglenn88_ »

phatfish wrote: post #235
theglenn88_ wrote: post #113

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This is probably one of the best ones https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dj1zlvxglo Edit: I believe they are now getting compensation for a 'wrongful arrest' which, sounds entirely deserved.

I don't know. You can bet these people were being obnoxious sh*ts to teachers and trying to rally some online mob to get their way. No much sympathy from me, even if arrest (and not a stern telling off and being told to set a good example for their kids and behave like adults) was a bit much.

Yeah I can imagine, I know the sort, however you can't really assume that as you don't know them, people have a right to be upset if their children's education is at stake and in some cases the schools management can be the 'obnoxious sh*ts'.

What is clear though is there has been some abuse of power by the police. I wondered if someone at the school 'knows' someone in the police, which made it go so far.

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Post by victorbjorklund »

jack_tripper wrote: post #501
greenavocado wrote: post #497

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Your digital id is great until your leadership decides you need to be conscripted and sent to their meat grinder and the penalty for failing to appear for your death sentence is being cut off from food and water because everything is linked. The idea of all these digital documents is never a problem until you go through the exercise of figuring out what it will all be used for (controlling you).

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Have you even been to Ukraine lately? you can walk on the streets of Kyiv and there is so many men walking on the streets without getting picked up. I've been walking the street as a man and and from the looks of it you can't tell if I'm a foreigner or a Ukrainian and I never been stopped and they never tried to conscript me. Do some people get conscripted in Ukraine and Russia? Sure.

But it's just an exaggeration claiming that anybody walking the streets are just grabbed and thrown into a van and shipped to a conscription office. That is not what is happening.

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Post by myrmidon »

gclawes wrote: post #529
amarant wrote: post #242

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How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

It's not really that a digital ID can be used to spy on people (governments can already do this to a pretty large degree without needing spyware). It's that it's a permission system that can be instantly updated and centrally managed by people that have legal authority to spy on you. If your digital ID is controlled centrally by the government (the guys that are watching most things you do already), and you need your…

I completely agree with your main point, but the state supervised CO2 budget strikes me as a bad example; I see no real way to prevent companies and citizens from "externalizing costs" in the form of environmental damage except by regulation that restricts (historically, we did not get rid of leaded gas by gentle admonishment either).

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Post by fragmede »

Quarrel wrote: post #531
jack_tripper wrote: post #513

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> 1. There are lots of men walking in Ukrainian streets. With the right papers clearing them of draft obligations, sure. >2. Why single out Ukraine here? Because this is the best example right now that everyone knows and can somewhat relate to. Unless you happen to know any other western country currently doing this.

Can I offer you a similar, and probably more palatable, example: https://united24media.com/latest-news/russia-starts-issuing-...

HN truncated your link, so All I could see is https://united2… and thought you were linking to something like https://youtu.be/pl0WGFsY-6g

Which is still grown men abducting people in broad daylight, just not in Ukraine.

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Post by squigz »

shevy-java wrote: post #359

It's always the same - governments suddenly wanting to spy on people. We need a world where this can be guaranteed to not happen. We need 3D printing everywhere, without restrictions or payload attached.

How is 3D printing supposed to help prevent this?

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Post by MangoToupe »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #149

I wonder if this will cause a reduction in remote jobs for citizens. Compliance with US laws like HIPAA and FERPA have strict requirements regarding access. Many employees use 2FA on their personal devices, which if passed this law would interfere with.

Or, maybe it'll finally convince people that SMS is the worst of all worlds when it comes to security (and phone numbers for identity). Doubt it tho

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Post by tomhow »

smashah wrote: post #167
nephihaha wrote: post #162

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Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

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Please don't post inflammatory rhetoric like this here, no matter the topic or the side. The guidelines ask:

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by MonkeyClub »

rramadass wrote: post #546
MonkeyClub wrote: post #495

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You're getting down voted, but I think your point was to clarify that it's not simply nationalist, but particularly Hindu nationalist. You are correct, of course: it is.

Of course; it is not. As i pointed out in my other comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46120239 you are just a "troll" trying to misdirect in a totally irrelevant direction.

Ah, nice, now you're stalking me in the comment section.

Well done, totally normal behavior.

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