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Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by squidbeak »

nostrademons wrote: post #458
aftergibson wrote: post #189

A secure, optional digital ID could be useful. But not in today’s UK. Why? Because the state has already shown it can’t be trusted with our data. - Snoopers’ Charter (Investigatory Powers Act 2016): ISPs must keep a year’s worth of records of which websites you visit. More than 40 agencies—from MI5 to the Welsh Ambulance Service—can request it. MI5 has already broken the rules and kept data it shouldn’t have. - Encry…

I wonder if zkSTARKS could help here. Prove that the validity of a statement (like "I am a citizen that is authorized to receive benefits") without revealing your precise identity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-interactive_zero-knowledge...

This is the proposal for the UK system right now. Zero Knowledge Proofs. The technical side hasn't been adequately explained to the public.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by EasyMark »

asah wrote: post #412
a022311 wrote: post #402

The same thing is happening in Greece. The new mandatory digital ID replaces and unifies everything about citizens in one place, "to make it easier for government services to share information between each other". It can indeed be useful, but the privacy implications are enormous. Just imagine that a policeman, employer or anybody else with access to the information linked to the ID can instantly view our medical rec…

??? do not rely on incompetence for privacy. anyway, privacy is dead - longer conversation, but even if you don't carry your cell, there's cameras everywhere with face/gate recognition.

It doesn't have to be dead, that's a choice we made as a society. It's an artificial limitation if people wake up and vote against it while they still can

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by octo888 »

LinAGKar wrote: post #295
octo888 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah this is the UK. No, it'll be optional to begin with to make people like you asking important questions seem like a whacko. Then once they use propaganda to make people opt into it, and it reaches mass adoption, then it'll quietly be made mandatory - or extremely annoying not to have it

No, it will be mandatory right from the start, and employers will be required to check it https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/digital-id-ca...

Are you suggesting they will draft the law in such a way that in order not to be fired people must download this thing onto a smartphone and show it to their employer, post-haste? Your link does not support any evidence of that (the line " will be mandatory for every worker in the UK" links to just another one of their own articles, which also does not support it). I imagine it'll be phased in for new employment.

No, it won't be mandatory in all situations all at once, for every facet of life (I did not specify employment).

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by zahllos »

IanCal wrote: post #401
pera wrote: post #239

I am quite confused by this point: > A new digital ID scheme will help combat illegal working If you are an immigrant you already have to prove your right to work with a share code: https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work/get-a-share-code-onli... And if you claim to be a citizen you must show a passport or birth certificate: https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work So how exactly will this new digital ID help "stop thos…

Showing a birth certificate isn’t a particularly hard bar to pass if you want to fake that you’re a national to be fair. You need just that and a printed letter and there’s nothing an employer will do beyond copying that (afaik you can’t look up a birth certificate and check it’s valid)

You can sort of look up a birth certificate but the service isn't designed for that. It is here: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

This is where you get certified copies should you ever need that for interfacing with foreign governments that want them (the European country I live in very much wants a copy of my birth certificate).

It's not an identity check by any means but a legitimate birth certificate ought to be findable here.

But yes birth cert + utility bill is a very, very weak binding to identity.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by jacobp100 »

rich_sasha wrote: post #98
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #80

I didn't watch the video, but have read other reports, and it's worth noting that the context for this is the Labour Party conference, which starts on Sunday. The UK govt are under pressure from the tories and Reform to do something about people entering the UK from France by crossing the channel in small boats. Nothing much seems to be working. So this announcement is about trying to control the narrative by making…

The small boats crossing are a small fraction of immigration. Some Google number claims 37k people got in this way in 2024. With net migration hovering around 0.8-1m people per year, arrivals must be well above this number (surely some people are leaving, making the net number smaller). But even then, this is less than 5% of the legal immigration, and probably a lot less than that. I'm not saying it doesn't need addr…

Net migration is expected to be 200k in 2026

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by ForHackernews »

kypro wrote: post #495
randerson wrote: post #466

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I assume you're not from the UK? If we wanted we could stop illegal immigration extremely fast – as you say we are an island so it's relatively easy to stop people arriving. We don't need drones. At the moment after the French have given life-jackets to the illegal migrants and their boats have set off into the British channel, the people smugglers will call the British coast guard and ask them to go pick up the migr…

The French have no incentive to do the British immigration authorities' job for them. In fact, Britain very recently loudly quit an multilateral alliance that involved — among other things – common migration policy.

Why shouldn't France give life jackets and boats to people who want to leave France?

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by EasyMark »

celticninja wrote: post #181
jjgreen wrote: post #172

Before the election I was approached by a bubbly young woman who tried to persuade me to vote Labour: "No thanks, last time I did that they tried to introduce ID cards", "But that's not in our manifesto" she replied, "It wasn't the last time I voted for them either". It gives me no pleasure to be right on this.

Could you explain what it is you find so distasteful about ID cards? I mean if you have a passport then you already have an 'ID card', but I certainly don't want to take that out with me to prove my age.

Should be used for basic things like driving a car or signing up for a government service. Should be used to determine if you can make money to survive on or walk down the street without being stopped to very that you as a brown person are legit. "What are you doing in this part of town? Your sort isn't usually around this area"

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by boringg »

paxys wrote: post #510
logicchains wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of rapes is at an all time high, increased more than fourfold in the last couple decades: https://www.statista.com/statistics/283100/recorded-rape-off...

Considering that up until a couple decades ago women would be ostracized from society for disclosing that they were raped, that isn't surprising.

Thats a bold statement - certainly possibly as a factor but to 4x it that seems unlikely. It sounds like you are callously dismissing valid concerns.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by boringg »

logicchains wrote: post #506
crimsoneer wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crime is literally at all time lows

The number of rapes is at an all time high, increased more than fourfold in the last couple decades: https://www.statista.com/statistics/283100/recorded-rape-off...

I just overlaid that with the immigration into uk with that chart (both from statista) - charts are disturbingly similar trend. I would hope that its correlation and not causation but its definitely eye opening and kind of concerning.

Assuming statista is a legit data source.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by EasyMark »

celticninja wrote: post #229
gadders wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, please authenticate with your digital ID before posting on social media.

That is not a requirement though. And if it came in I would be against it. So what is your point?

What do you have to hide? Why are you against adding just a little more to the law to protect the children?
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