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We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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> If you want to play Playstation games on your PS5 you must suffer Sony’s restrictions, but if you want to convert your PS5 into an emulator running Linux that should be possible.

This is what Sony did with the PS3, but afaik Linux was then used as a backdoor to jailbreak the "PS3 OS" and sideload games.

I guess, this is why Sony abandoned the idea of allowing Linux on their consoles. Kind of sad, but understandable.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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One of the biggest problems (if not the biggest) is that this desire is still a niche desire. If non-techie people would somehow be convinced that indeed hardware/software freedom is a basic right no matter the device we would be in a different position to pressure governments. How can people be convinced about it is the hardest part. How do you convince people that have no idea about how technology and corporation i…

I do think there is growing discontent with MS and Google, and you see Linux sentiment changing and the userbase growing. But it's still a small fraction of the populus even though it's grown a lot in the last decade probably

One should not forget the reason for this growth though - the issues with privacy and users' control of devices on windows go back at least a decade, but most of this time nobody cared. It was only when Microsoft locked a lot of old computers out of Windows 11, Windows 11 proved a buggy slow mess, the google search results went down the toilet and the amount of adds on YouTube increased several times did people start to talk about "de-googling" and moving to Linux.

People are switching to Linux now because it works better. The privacy is still a nice-to-have bonus.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

#553
Perhaps we should stop viewing iOS/Android devices as true general-purpose computing devices. They are merely gadgets, like Walkmans, portable CD players, game consoles, blood pressure meters, car infotainment systems, etc. They contain CPUs with enough power and RAM to act as general-purpose computers, but Apple and Google did not design them for that purpose. However, Windows and macOS were designed as operating systems for general-purpose personal computers, and restrictions on the software you can run are also happening there. To me, this is more worrisome than the openness of mobile OSs.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Easier said than done. The main reason companies don't allow it is sadly for security reasons, it's a cost/benefit.

If the government would enforce laws about computer security, tech companies would not have to restrict user freedom.

Obviously this situation benefits those tech companies, but honestly the solution is not as easy as it seems.

Of course it's a different story for the right to repair and DRM.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Only competition can provide a solution. We have lost sight of this principle even though all Western democracies are built on the idea of separation of powers, and making it hard for any one faction of elites to gain full control and ruin things for everyone else. Make them fight with each other, let them get a piece of the pie, but never all of it. That's why we have multiple branches of government, multiple partie…

>There has never been a utopian past and there will never be a utopian future. I wouldn't call it utopian, but I'd say we are way past "peak democracy" at this point. There was a time in which corporations did get broken up when too large, when we did understand that it's about serving the population first and accumulating wealth after that, when corporations influencing politics was widely seen as a negative. It doe…

There's no reason why democracy can't peak again and reach new heights. But that won't happen automatically.

Personally I think there are technological preconditions for stable democracy that have recently been countered by authoritarian leaning technology. We need to invent counter technology to those things.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Even the smallest nations have the legal right to permanently incarcerate, strip you of your assets or even murder you if you are in their sphere of influence. I would hope you'd agree those are not powers that we should grant to large corporations... I think it's shocking how many people Google can affect through its search algorithms (more than any nation on Earth) and yet there is no democratic system to hold them…

Kill, not murder. If the country ends your life they are doing it under their authority, not outside their authority.

So for example the Nazis did not murder people? It was under their authority after all ...

Point being, also states can do murder.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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post #256

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Even the smallest nations have the legal right to permanently incarcerate, strip you of your assets or even murder you if you are in their sphere of influence. I would hope you'd agree those are not powers that we should grant to large corporations... I think it's shocking how many people Google can affect through its search algorithms (more than any nation on Earth) and yet there is no democratic system to hold them…

>Even the smallest nations have the legal right to permanently incarcerate, strip you of your assets or even murder you if you are in their sphere of influence. A nation that did that would be able to do that exactly once before everyone decides to never do business with it ever again, which they can afford to do because it's such a small market. Exercising arbitrary power is not the trump card you think it is. Hell,…

Or more. If some small state decides to officially murder a US tourist while he never broke a local law, I do believe the public outcry would make the US government do more than just stop doing buisness.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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I want my less tech savvy family members to be able to buy locked-to-the-company-store hardware, that they can’t run other things on, as it protects them from one avenue of scams and hacks. This protection can and will be worked around if it can be easily disabled. Fully open phone systems consistently fail to sell enough to make a difference, which is a bit of a shame, but honestly at this point the market has spoke…

Nothing prevents that the device is locked by you instead of the "store" or even that the device has a "safe" mode that has to be explicitly disabled by the user in a non obvious way like connecting the device to a computer and running a command or so. The only important thing is for the bank, Netflix and co to not be able to discriminate. But again nothing would provide the bank to offer a setting for the user to re…

I think the bank should be able to discriminate, they should be allowed to say they only work on locked devices, surely.

It’s a security measure, particularly as we place more responsibility on banks to prevent their customers being defrauded.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Joining all the other comments agreeing completely with this take. I think it's worth adding that this is fundamental enough to not just be a tech issue. There's a strong legal framework in almost all developed companies for regulating companies where acting in their self interest harms the consumer interest. Without which, lots of things we take for granted (electrical safety certification, usb c, splits between ser…

Most politicians would find that argument confusing and not agree with you. I don't think the outcomes of running to government would be what you expect. It could easily backfire. Politics is a spectrum. Some claim that model is oversimplified but it's not. Here you're making a left wing argument that individual bad actors must be regulated for the good of the collective. However, left politicians would look at the s…

> here you're making a left wing argument that individual bad actors must be regulated for the good of the collective. However, left politicians would look at the situation and see the opposite. They prioritize an authoritarian safety-first victim-first mindset, in which individual freedoms are sacrificed to help the weakest.

I think you're simplifying a few things here, mainly the amount of different views that are under the umbrella you're classing as "left-wing" (some of which will fit your categorisation, and some won't) and the amount of different issues under the umbrella of "running your own things".

What I'm trying to say is that there's multiple arguments to be made along the lines of "large companies can and should be restricted from blocking out freedoms of smaller companies and individuals". There's a big economic argument to allowing competition, and I think that's something that unites a lot of thinkers you'd probably class as right wing, as well as the traditional left.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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I want my less tech savvy family members to be able to buy locked-to-the-company-store hardware, that they can’t run other things on, as it protects them from one avenue of scams and hacks. This protection can and will be worked around if it can be easily disabled. Fully open phone systems consistently fail to sell enough to make a difference, which is a bit of a shame, but honestly at this point the market has spoke…

That is understandable, most people are not technical but the few who has a need for it should have an option for it. As a developer I write apps for myself and I side-load them. Why take away my right to do so, just because other people can't then nobody should?

Because you’re in a tiny minority and it’s more important that more people be protected from malware.

Buy a specifically open phone, and support that market segment.

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