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Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by akudha »

bee_rider wrote: post #540
akudha wrote: post #422

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I'd hate being interviewed by a bot. Talking to these stupid automated answering machines is bad enough. That said, the other side of the equation is also bad, for employers. I was asked to conduct some interviews recently. I asked the most basic of questions (like absolutely basic stuff, "what is an interface?" level basic). The number of people who said "I don't know" is far less than the number of people who tried…

I think “what is an interface” would trip me up actually, haha. My thought process was: Well, most of the code I use uses a Reverse Communication Interface. But, I think these are pretty old-school projects, maybe I should start by talking about the Object Oriented interface to the library that we recently did. Or maybe I can talk about the file IO based interface that I did, it was extremely cursed but kind of funny…

It is not about not knowing some topic. I am myself an average programmer on my best day and I don't expect candidates to be genius level thinkers. It is the lying, the making stuff up on the spot - like what are they thinking? The blatant arrogance and callousness towards the person/people interviewing them. How hard can it be to say "I don't know" or "I don't use this concept in my daily tasks, but let me try to explain from memory" or something like that?

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

franktankbank wrote: post #519
SoftTalker wrote: post #485

> Still, stretched-thin HR teams say it’s the only way to handle thousands of applicants. You're doing it wrong if you're considering "thousands" of applicants. First of all ask your current good employees if they can refer anyone. If you need to go to resumes, sort by qualifications. Screen out obvious robo-applications, you know them when you see them just like you know spam email from the subject line alone. Hint:…

You are giving advice to some of the dumbest people in the country. I'm not saying its bad advice, but these people are universally stupid. I don't know exactly why things ended up this way, but I'd love to hear where this isn't a truth.

Try and convince me that HR departments aren’t majority jobs programs for the less intellectually fortunate.

It would be an uphill battle.

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Post by throwawayoldie »

ben_w wrote: post #414
imglorp wrote: post #363

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We (the US) had a very successful, carefully designed system that seems to have been an unstable configuration. It was neither hammer and sickle nor single megacorporation: it was balanced on a hill between both. The combination of (1) checks and balances, (2) separation of money, religion, corporation, and government, and (3) regulation in moderation worked pretty well for around 200 years. Monopolies and labor abus…

200 years? And went wrong in 1970? The USA absolutely wasn't a good system in 1770, and has sucked for a lot of people for large fraction of those years. Who could vote was all over the place for a long time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_voting_rights_in_t... Civil War was about as far from "balanced" as you can get, and the problems weren't even on the axis of "hammer and sickle" vs "single megacorporat…

> it wouldn't have seemed at all implausible the USA would have faced an actual communist revolution

Read the first volume of Robert Caro's biography of LBJ, and you'll see that the militant farmers and tradespeople of Ohio were on the verge of declaring independent soviets when the New Deal began.

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Post by hyperadvanced »

kccqzy wrote: post #510
gloryjulio wrote: post #480

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Isn't that the 1st phone round? Most such people would not pass the technical portion of the phone call

This is also why I specifically told the recruiter at my employer to never ask me to do the 1st phone round. Too many under qualified people at this stage and it's depressing to write No Hire again and again.

But but but now that we have genAI anyone can do it!

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Post by Terr_ »

QuercusMax wrote: post #340
mingus88 wrote: post #274

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I’m not that surprised. To reach the level of billionaire, it’s pretty much a requirement that you abandon all empathy and ethics. What’s surprising is that nobody in their circle has educated them on the concept of a win-win. These people could be folk heros, universally loved and respected in ways buying a social media platform and banning all the haters will never accomplish.

That's what's so incredibly stupid about the tariffs, immigration crackdowns, etc. Life is not a zero-sum game, and treating it like it is just makes it worse for everyone - unless you're the sort of person who really gets off on having other suffer worse than you.

It's less that they "get off on" suffering (though I'm sure some do) and more that they believe some conclusions:

1. The universe simply does not permit an arrangement of humans that isn't a hierarchy of exploitation and suffering.

2. There is a "natural" hierarchy which is also a just one, where good people deserve to exploit and bad people deserve to suffer, and of course I'm not one of the bad people. ("Just-world fallacy.")

3. Anyone who says don't need to build a Torment Nexus for anyone is a sneaky liar trying to trick their way upwards into a layer in the hierarchy they don't "deserve."

So it's not as simple as sadism or greed, they'll tolerate some being stepped-on as long as they've been convinced that the "right people" doing the stepping and the bad people are getting stepped on more.

A relevant free ebook from 2006: https://theauthoritarians.org

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Post by t-3 »

Yep. The worst part is that you apply through whatever job-seeking website and give them all the info, then you talk to the AI and give it all the same info, then talk to a real human and give all the same info, then get ghosted and repeat ad nauseam.

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Post by throwawayoldie »

shrubble wrote: post #543
os2warpman wrote: post #535

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Guns are useless. Everyone who believes guns are some kind of savior or last-ditch protector is fucking stupid. There is a reason why, during westward expansion, the first thing towns did when they got two nickels to rub together to buy bricks to build a church was ban guns. There are so many real-world examples of guns being useless that it defies logic and belief that people cling to the myth. There are so few exam…

Like with the Viet Cong and the Afghanistan people who were conquered and absorbed into the American or Russian systems, right?

And now let's imagine what might happen if the US military tried to occupy a country full of guerillas who look like them, dress like them, speak the same language, and share a cultural background.

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Post by vkou »

econnors wrote: post #548
bee_rider wrote: post #540

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I think “what is an interface” would trip me up actually, haha. My thought process was: Well, most of the code I use uses a Reverse Communication Interface. But, I think these are pretty old-school projects, maybe I should start by talking about the Object Oriented interface to the library that we recently did. Or maybe I can talk about the file IO based interface that I did, it was extremely cursed but kind of funny…

"Can you clarify what you mean by interface?" is the right answer

So far, in my experience, that kind of clarification question is highly correlated to be followed by a firehose of bullshit.

But I keep an open mind, and am always ready to be pleasantly surprised.

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Post by CoastalCoder »

mavamaarten wrote: post #406

I would never. I would never do such an interview. But I would absolutely never ever work for a company that doesn't value people enough to even have a real conversation with them. Sure "it saves hiring managers time" but that's literally their job and it's absolutely weird to view that as "time wasted". It's "time well spent to find a perfect candidate". Tells me everything I need to know about your company. You're…

> I would never do such an interview. But I would absolutely never ever work for a company that doesn't value people enough to even have a real conversation with them.

You might be surprised what you'll put up with if you've been unemployed for a year and have a wife and kids with expensive medical conditions.

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Post by bluecalm »

os2warpman wrote: post #535
HaZeust wrote: post #310

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Don't ever let anyone brainwash you into thinking we don't have the money and guns either.

Guns are useless. Everyone who believes guns are some kind of savior or last-ditch protector is fucking stupid. There is a reason why, during westward expansion, the first thing towns did when they got two nickels to rub together to buy bricks to build a church was ban guns. There are so many real-world examples of guns being useless that it defies logic and belief that people cling to the myth. There are so few exam…

The idea is that guns are useful because it makes pacifying the population more difficult.

If it's the coup or something your own army may not be willing to trade fire with civilian groups but may still be willing to engage in.softer subduing efforts like arrests, water cannons, etc.

It's rich to call people stupid when you're missing the obvious point while engaging in a fantasy of all out war between civilians with guns and an army trying to exterminate them.

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