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Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by KingOfCoders »

bad_haircut72 wrote: post #200
KingOfCoders wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything in groceries has bad margins. Grocery shops are not making the money, food conglomerates are making the money if you look at earnings.

Small grocery stores are going bankrupt, larger chains now all are becoming food conglomerates who also own the point of sale - so called "private label" is noted as a huge threat in the shareholder reports of traditionally large food companies - go to a whole foods, aside from a few high profile products like CocaCola its all in-house brand products

What kind of margin are we talking? e.g. Walmart groceries? I can't imagine it being >5%

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Post by rapind »

computerdork wrote: post #295
kergonath wrote: post #238

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> Please give me an example of what happens. It’s easy to forget after 80 years of stable western democracies, but brutal equilibrium shifts do happen. There was a revolution every ~20 years in Europe between 1789 and 1917. And even during the 20th century, the history of much of the world is full of coups, revolts, and uprisings. See all the revolutions in ex-soviet republics, the Arab spring, etc. So you can pick a…

And (even though I don't support him in any way), would say the election of Trump is in part due to the constant wins of the white collar work force. Most of the examples you gave of revolutions led to greater democracy and greater socialism, which benefits the blue collar, but ironically, in this case, the blue collar elected a autocratic conservative. Again, am not a Trump supporter in anyway, but agree that when t…

> The shame is that this underclass does not really see how he is harming them and how his politics benefit their old enemies, the economic elite that’s turning into oligarchs.

I'd bet you that at least some are aware and just don't care. You crap on people long enough and they'll want to burn it all down out of spite. I suspect the eventual endgame here might be class warfare. Keep an eye out for more of these oligarch bunkers that are popping up.

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Post by eviks »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #183
threetonesun wrote: post #141

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Same argument for removing customer service with chatbots or AI. It's entirely untrue, and creates a much worse customer experience, but because people drop out your KPIs / NPS is based off of people who were willing to put up with shit to get to a real human.

Well... is a chatbot for customer service really all that much worse than a human who is not permitted to deviate from their script?

Certainly, because not deviating from the scripts also cuts off the infinite range of made up nonsense a bot can hallucinate. And it's not like the bot will have magic authority to fix the real issue it can't be bound by the script, so in this regard there is no upside.

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Post by sumtechguy »

bobro wrote: post #301

> It does 100 interviews, and it’s going to hand back the best 10 to the hiring manager, and then the human takes over,” he says. Yikes. One thing that's incredibly important about reaching the interview-stage of a job application has been that there is a parity, or even an imbalance favoring the candidate, in human time usage. The company's people (often multiple people at once) have to spend time with the candidate…

> Admitting right off the bat that you're going to waste the time of 90% of your applicants without these stakes is just wildly disrespectful.

They were already doing this. Now it is just more automated. You didnt have the right keywords. 2pts into the basket. Too long (meaning old/bad team fit), gone. You worked for a company that might have some sort of backend NDA, gone. Wrong school, gone. Wrong whatever, gone. You were never getting to the interviewer in the first place. You were already filtered.

The reality is if they have 1 position open. They get 300 resumes. 299 of them need to go away. It has been like this forever. That AI is doing it does not change anything really. Getting anyone to just talk to you has been hard for a long time already. With AI it is now even worse.

Had one dude who made a mistake and closed out one of my applications once. 2 years after I summited it. Couldn't resist not sending a to the second number days/hours/mins how long it took them. Usually they just ghost you. I seriously doubt the sat for 2 years wondering if they should talk to me. I was already filtered 2 years earlier.

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Post by nosianu »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #269
jodrellblank wrote: post #264

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because as we know, people are not influenced by society at all. Every man is an island. Marketing doesn't work. Lobbying doesn't work. Manipulation doesn't work. Nobody gets radicalised.

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You are not immune to marketing.

I thought that too. Decades ago, when I left home for university I had to do my own laundry. That means buying detergent.

I had always known as obvious that the commercials for that stuff were so bad that there was zero chance it would influence me.

At the supermarket checkout I noticed I had the brand name detergent my basket, not the much cheaper no-name brand. Because subconsciously, it DOES work to hear those brand names again and again, no matter how stupid the commercials look. I felt enlightened.

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Post by doug_durham »

colechristensen wrote: post #117
Balgair wrote: post #89

I did one of these once. Once . I felt so bad afterwards that I swore them off forever. It's not like the 'interview' was terrible or anything. I knew it was AI from the start. It was just that when I got done with it, I realized that I had talked at a computer for ~45 minutes. And, yet again, I was going to be ghosted by the company (I was), and that I was never going to get those 45 minutes back. That was time I co…

My rule for interviews is the company has to spend equal human time or I decline. This means no 8 hour tests, no talking to computers, no special little projects for me to evaluate me. You get equal face time and no more than 45 minutes of me doing anything by myself (that's the max leeway). If you want me to do anything else either I'm getting paid short term contractor rates or making you make a sizable donation to…

What you are saying resonates deeply with me. I flipped the logic with a thought experiment. As a job seeker you send your resume to the black hole of a company's recruiting department. That's your only input which can be frustrating because it is difficult to express your abilities in static text. What if instead the company offered you the opportunity to spend 30 minutes with an automated system where you could provide more information and demonstrate your skills. That sounds very appealing. That said there are certainly too many companies that will abuse the technology to further dehumanize the recruiting process.

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Post by epolanski »

codingdave wrote: post #326

Take this entire paragraph and read carefully, and it explains how to kill this trend: > “The truth is, if you want a job, you’re gonna go through this thing,” Adam Jackson, CEO and founder of Braintrust, a company that distributes AI interviewers, tells Fortune. “If there were a large portion of the job-seeking community that were wholesale rejecting this, our clients wouldn’t find the tool useful… This thing would…

I don't read that.

I read that at best few will boycott but the majority plays along.

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Post by LightBug1 »

shermantanktop wrote: post #193
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #173

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The sickle and hammer looking real interesting now.

It surprises me that the monied elite seem to have so little awareness of what happens when they keep winning.

They've refined the art of turning the majority against themselves to an almost exquisite level.

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Post by f_kai »

Down here in Australia, I've had quite a few friends encounter Sapia.ai (https://sapia.ai/) during the recruitment process. The whole experience sounds pretty dystopian. Candidates record multiple video sessions answering questions from a chatbot, with instructions before recording to 'appear friendly on camera.'

They claim they can assess qualities like problem-solving ability and leadership purely based off of these text and video sessions. It's been deployed at major Australian employers including Woolworths (one of our largest supermarket chains) and Qantas (our national airline).

While recruitment practices by HR have long been riddled with pseudoscience tests (like Myers-Briggs or DISC), I really do think it's only going to get worse when tools like this can be deployed en masse while claiming the high ground that algorithms are smarter at inferring these qualities, no matter how flawed they actually are.

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Post by QuercusMax »

mingus88 wrote: post #274
shermantanktop wrote: post #193

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It surprises me that the monied elite seem to have so little awareness of what happens when they keep winning.

I’m not that surprised. To reach the level of billionaire, it’s pretty much a requirement that you abandon all empathy and ethics. What’s surprising is that nobody in their circle has educated them on the concept of a win-win. These people could be folk heros, universally loved and respected in ways buying a social media platform and banning all the haters will never accomplish.

That's what's so incredibly stupid about the tariffs, immigration crackdowns, etc. Life is not a zero-sum game, and treating it like it is just makes it worse for everyone - unless you're the sort of person who really gets off on having other suffer worse than you.
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