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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by herval »

BrtByte wrote: post #464
nrmitchi wrote: post #313

This whole situation feels shockingly close to the Meta/Scale situation, where founders and specific employees were plucked out, and effectively gutted any future prospects for the company. At least in the Scale case there seemed to be some form of payout to employees and equity holders, but this takes it a whole lot further by just throwing out all other employees. There is supposed to be the concept that “all commo…

Yep, if investors and early employees keep getting left out in the cold while execs get a soft landing at Big Tech, it's going to shake a lot of trust in the startup game

I don’t think anyone trusts any tech company much these days. It’s been a steep decline in the past 5 years, from arbitrary mandates to the constant talk about firing everyone and hiring an AI. Even as an investor, it’s hard to trust that the “honor system” that once existed is still in play.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by christina97 »

Tokumei-no-hito wrote: post #546
nurettin wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't tried deepseek but I've seen claude do crazy things if you are at the correct random.seed

what do you mean about correct random.seed?

It means “if you’re unlucky”.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by macrolime »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #71
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Some excellent points. On “add selection to chat”, I just want to add that the Claude Code VS code extension automatically passes the current selection to the model. :) I am genuinely curious if any Cursor or Windsurf users who have also tried Claude Code could speak to why they prefer the IDE-fork tools? I’ve only ever used Claude Code myself - what am I missing?

I like using Claude Code through Roo Code (vscode extension). I find it easier to work with text using a mouse, vscode diff viewer etc. I guess if you're very good at vim shortcuts etc you can use that in Claude Code instead of selecting text with a mouse. Claude Code has a vscode extension too so I feel that using Claude Code through vscode just adds a better UI.

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Post by 1024core »

bix6 wrote: post #52
Ancalagon wrote: post #32

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I actually don't know if there's much that can be done unless there's some non-competes in those employees' contracts which are usually not very enforceable outside of finance iirc.

Non competes aren’t enforceable in California but the company owns the IP so I’m curious about this license loophole they are using.

The real IP is between the ears...

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by ascorbic »

lukan wrote: post #411
tonyhart7 wrote: post #396

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"Impossible for a startup to compete with this." its funny to me since xAI literally the "youngest" in this space and recently made an Grok4 that surpass all frontier model it literally not impossible

I mean, that's a startup backed by the richest man in the world who also was engaged with OpenAI in the beginning. I assume startup here means the average one, that has a little bit less of funding and connections.

The richest man in the world, who could also divert the world's biggest GPU order from his other company

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Post by metadat »

Henchman21 wrote: post #537
metadat wrote: post #507

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This reads like a Dr. Evil plot.

Everything since ~2016 reads like a Dr. Evil plot! I swear it feels like the world is getting dumber around me.

100% agreed.

You've reminded me of when I first watched Idiocracy in 2006. At the time, I delighted in the comedic, sophomoreish, and seemingly ridiculous take on a possible trajectory of humanity. But now much of it is actually coming to pass. It's sad.

P.s. As a sidenote, apparently I love all of Mike Judge's productions, which also includes Office Space, and Beavis and Butthead.

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Post by vmg12 »

manojlds wrote: post #500
csomar wrote: post #321

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The way I am doing the math with my Max subscription and assuming DeepSeek API prices, it is still x5 times cheaper. So either DeepSeek is losing money (unlikely) or Anthropic is losing lots of money (more likely). Grok kinda confirms my suspicions. Assuming DeepSeek prices, I've probably spent north of $100 of Grok compute. I didn't pay Grok or Twitter a single cent. $100 is a lot of loss for a single user.

Comparison should be with Claude API pricing. It doesn't matter what other models cost.

Claude API pricing has significant margin baked in. I think it's safe to assume that anthropic is getting 80% margin on their api and they are selling claude code for less than that.

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Post by thorio »

This my friends is how the next iteration of venture capital contract templates becomes even longer...

Otherwise, normally with the amount of capital raised by Windsurf, the founders must have signed some kind of non-compete for the event of a bad-leaver (which this obviously is). Guess covering these penalties was just part of Google's deal, hm?

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Post by sebmellen »

atakan_gurkan wrote: post #394
sebmellen wrote: post #291

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He blocked me (a relative nobody) on X for remarking on the number of people I know who’ve made it to YC on completely fraudulent credentials.

His reaction seems entirely appropriate. He could ignore you, but then you might keep replying to his posts and potentially spread incorrect but damaging information. He is losing close to zero by blocking you, but preventing a potential big loss. Why did you make that remark, if not to damage YC's reputation? This does not seem like the correct approach, if you wanted to improve their selection process.

The hilarious part is that I never interacted with him directly at all. I was just commenting something to a mutual on X, the thread blew up, he snooped it, and went on a blocking spree. It may have been different if I were directly accosting him in replies to his posts.
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