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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #183

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Yes, my CC usage is regularly $50-$100 per day , so their Max plan is absolutely great value that I don’t expect to last.

Is there a cheap version for hobbyists? Or what’s the best thing for hobbyists to use, just cut and paste?

I've been enjoying Zed lately

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, my CC usage is regularly $50-$100 per day , so their Max plan is absolutely great value that I don’t expect to last.

Is there a cheap version for hobbyists? Or what’s the best thing for hobbyists to use, just cut and paste?

Claude Code pro is ~$20USD/ month and is nearly enough for someone like me who can’t use it at work and is just playing around with it after work. I’m loving it.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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This whole situation feels shockingly close to the Meta/Scale situation, where founders and specific employees were plucked out, and effectively gutted any future prospects for the company.

At least in the Scale case there seemed to be some form of payout to employees and equity holders, but this takes it a whole lot further by just throwing out all other employees.

There is supposed to be the concept that “all common stock is the same”. These fake-acquisitions completely undermine that.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

> - Tab completion model (Cursor's remaining moat)

My local ollama + continue + Qwen 2.5 coder gives good tab completion with minimal latency; how much better is Cursor’s tab completion model?

I’m still weary of letting LLM edit my code so my local setup gives me sufficient assistance with tab completion and occasional chat.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Just curious - would this negatively affect OpenAI's ability to acquire companies in the future?

This isn’t a great look for OpenAI, but acquisitions fall through all the time.

The issue isn’t an acquisition not working out, it’s that the founding/exec team felt it appropriate to arrange their own exits and abandon their team before even communicating that their “successful exit” wasn’t actually happening.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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> Google will instead hire Windsurf CEO Varun Mohan, cofounder Douglas Chen, and some of Windsurf’s R&D employees and bring them onto the Google DeepMind team, [...] Google will not have any control over nor a stake in Windsurf, but it will take a non-exclusive license to some of Windsurf’s technology. [...] Google didn’t share how much it was paying to bring on the team. OpenAI was previously reported to be buying Windsurf for $3 billion.

Why not an acquisition?

How did Google get Windsurf and investors to agree to this maneuver that decapitated the leadership and key talent, without a big exit event for everyone?

My read of the article: "Here's x% of what OpenAI offered you, you waive legal challenges while we cherry-pick your people and license the tech in their heads, and you can keep the company, and everyone left behind can promote themselves to fill the vacancies."

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Agreed on everything. Just to add, not only anthropic is offering CC at like a 500% loss, they restricted sonnet/opus 4 access to windsurf, and jacked up their enterprise deal to Cursor. The increase in price was so big that it forced cursor to make that disastrous downgrade to their plans. I think only way Cursor and other UX wrappers still win is if on device models or at least open source models catch up in the ne…

> CC at like a 500% loss Do you have a citation for this? It might be at a loss, but I don’t think it is that extravagant.

Before they announced the Max plans, I could easily hit 10-15$ of API usage per day (without even being a heavy user).

Since they announced that you can use the Pro subscription with Claude Code, I've been using it much more and I've never ever been rate limited.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #316

> Google will instead hire Windsurf CEO Varun Mohan, cofounder Douglas Chen, and some of Windsurf’s R&D employees and bring them onto the Google DeepMind team, [...] Google will not have any control over nor a stake in Windsurf, but it will take a non-exclusive license to some of Windsurf’s technology. [...] Google didn’t share how much it was paying to bring on the team. OpenAI was previously reported to be buying W…

If they acquire a company they might need approval due to anti-trust.

If the people instead just quit their jobs and start working at Google … nothing to see here.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #87

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Some excellent points. On “add selection to chat”, I just want to add that the Claude Code VS code extension automatically passes the current selection to the model. :) I am genuinely curious if any Cursor or Windsurf users who have also tried Claude Code could speak to why they prefer the IDE-fork tools? I’ve only ever used Claude Code myself - what am I missing?

Cursor's tab completion model is legitimately fantastic and for many people is worth the entire $20 subscription. Lint fixes or syntax-level refactors are guessed and executed instantly with TAB with close to 100% accuracy. This is their final moat IMO, if Copilot manages to bring their tab completion up to near parity, very little reason to use Cursor.

Just to offer a different perspective, I use Cursor at work and, coming from emacs (which I still use) with copilot completions only when I request them with a shortcut, Cursor’s behavior drives me crazy.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #52

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Non competes aren’t enforceable in California but the company owns the IP so I’m curious about this license loophole they are using.

Non competes can definitely be enforceable in California for executives and those with fiduciary responsibilities to a company. They’re just not enforceable against “rank and file” employees.

The only situation I know of is during a sale of business if the seller agrees. Which is clearly not the case here.
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