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Post by somenameforme »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #313
hliyan wrote: post #13

I wonder whether we will have another Jesuit Pope. Jesuits are supposed to be generally very education focused, more progressive (especially w.r.t science) and stand less on ceremony. I know nothing about how the College of Cardinals work, but if they're anything like other political voting bodies, one of two outcomes are possible: a swing to the Right (and toward tradition), recognizing the current balance of power…

Francis spent the last couple of years creating new cardinals to stack the College in what - he hoped - was a more progressive direction. But the College has a mind of its own, and there is going to be some furious horse trading happening behind the scenes to steer the result in one direction or the other.

Newton never realized exactly how insightful his 3rd law of motion truly was.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by navigate8310 »

serf wrote: post #546
amfarrell617 wrote: post #460

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He still is responsible for the team that wrote it.

a publisher is responsible for a book, but the credit of the thing is poured onto the author. why?

Because the book is plastered with the author's as well as the publisher's name. Their separation is easily comprehensible. Whereas when an orator delivers, the separation of the writer is not so apparent. It is automatically assumed the orator is the writer.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by stdclass »

zerobrainwash wrote: post #83
Ygg2 wrote: post #75

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> The line between good and evil is very clear in this case. Edit parent meant Ukraine war, not the Israel conflict quote Pope had.

Apologies, I meant Ukraine war, should have been more clear, it is that simple there.

your username is peak irony, considering your statement

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by QuarterReptile »

schmookeeg wrote: post #536
dctoedt wrote: post #382

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> He riled many of his flock and hierarchy when he said that "even atheists can be redeemed". It's quite a bit above our pay grade to proclaim categorically who supposedly cannot be redeemed; it verges on blasphemy. Cf. Job. 38: 1. Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said: 2 “Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? 3 "Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall a…

As an agnostic who spends a lot of time reading scriptures of several religions, trying to grasp the themes and motivations of others I share a world with -- those passages are particularly inscrutable.

It's repeating, over and over, the extreme ignorance, and thus presumption, of Job in running from what God told him to do.

Edited to add: this is a single passage with verse markings.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by neves »

emmelaich wrote: post #101
carlos-menezes wrote: post #54

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He was, but John Paul II was traditionally conservative. I think Francis resonated with more people–Christian or not–because he emphasized compassion, humility, and social justice. He spoke more openly about issues like poverty, climate change, and inclusion–his encyclical LAUDATO SI’ is a great read–, and he often used language and gestures that the "common man" could relate to. Perhaps the way he dressed so simply–…

I think it's interesting that PJII was very popular with Catholics and possibly less so with non-Christian. Despite or because being more conservative? He was also a very good man and humble.

He actively visited other countries and celebrated massive masses. I believe he was the first Pope to travel around the world bringing his faith. He also efficiently used the media.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by 1718627440 »

d3ckard wrote: post #248
code_for_monkey wrote: post #222

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Jesus famously said turn the other cheek

You can’t turn your other cheek when you’re dead, so I am pretty sure he didn’t mean it as allow yourself to get killed. Besides, Ukraine did turn other cheek after 2014 war, they just run out of cheeks to turn. Back to main subject, I believe nothing weakened Pope Francis’s policies as much as his widely misunderstood position on this subject.

> he didn’t mean it as allow yourself to get killed.

You know, what happened on Easter right?

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by f30e3dfed1c9 »

chpatrick wrote: post #547
carabiner wrote: post #488

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Noam Chomsky just called it "plagiarism software."

Pretty disappointing from someone who spent his career modelling language and the cognition behind it.

It is probably exactly because he spent a career considering the cognition behind language that he is not as impressed by LLMs as many others are. I'll readily admit to being expert in neither language and linguistics nor AI, but I am skeptical that anything going on inside an LLM is properly described as "cognition."

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Post by psunavy03 »

gosub100 wrote: post #527
mantas wrote: post #365

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He said Ukraine should surrender. To Russia which wants to exterminate Ukraine as a nation, culture and language. Feel free to google for more details. There were multiple occurrences when he doubled-down on his words after backlash.

And if he rallied for war he'd be criticized just the same: "leader of the Christians is such a hypocrite advocating for killing .."

Just war theory was first written on in the West by Saint Augustine.

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Post by fwip »

moralestapia wrote: post #518
fwip wrote: post #513

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Yes, but blue doesn't have a "Definitions of Blue" Wikipedia page. There are nuances to definitions of common words "what is blue, what is a bicycle, what is a dollar, really?", but the magnitude of variance in definition is not shared with something like "knowledge" or "intelligence." With these high-level concepts, most people are operating only on a "I know it when I see it" test (to reference the Supreme Court ca…

>Yes, but blue doesn't have a "Definitions of Blue" Wikipedia page. Oh, I understand, so the criteria is to have a Wikipedia page like that? You know what's interesting, I couldn't find neither of these: * تعريفات المعرفة * 知識嘅定義 * Définitions de la connaissance * Definiciones de conocimiento Should we add "and it has to be written in English" as a requirement? I know this is arguing ad absurdum, but the point is, ag…

No, I mean to illustrate that "blue" and "knowledge" have a vastly different degree in variation in definition.

Like you say, all words of course have different definitions between individuals, but you and I are obviously able to communicate without specifying every definition. There exists a spectrum between well-agreed-upon definitions (like "and") and fuzzier ones. The definition of "knowledge" is divisive enough that many people disagree vehemently on definitions, which is illustrated by the fact that there is a whole Wikipedia article on it.

If there is a "midwit trap" related to this, there is certainly a Sorites paradox trap as well - that because all words have varying definitions, that it is no use to point out that some words' definitions are more variable than others.

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