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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by Buttons840 »

refusingsalt wrote: post #498
wahnfrieden wrote: post #452

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Venezuela claims zero were members fwiw > Venezuela's Interior Minister Diosdado Cabello said on Friday that none of the hundreds of Venezuelans deported by the U.S. to a Salvadoran prison is a member of Venezuela's Tren de Aragua criminal gang, the reason Washington gave for expelling them. > "I believe with absolute responsibility that not a single one appears on the organizational chart of the now-extinct Tren de…

Venezuela, known for telling the truth

There's no evidence that Venezuela is lying in this case, because there is no evidence.

Due process is important for protecting the innocent, but due process is also important because it documents the crimes of the guilty.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

mptest wrote: post #519
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #401

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They don't support him because he identifies as pro-socialism and anti-capitalism, while in 2019 socialism polled at -13 and capitalism at +32. Sanders is well aware of this, but as he's explained in the past, his goal is to spark a political revolution and he doesn't care if that leads to opposition from wealthy or corporate interests. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/09/19/modest-decli... https://www.vox.c…

Sure, all of that can be true, but it doesn't change my point that Americans by and large support his policy, even if he isn't the best salesman in the country, or scares the boomers and the uneducated by mentioning socialism and triggering the McCarthy region of the brain, and it merits exploration as to why people support his policies but not him. I agree, part of it may be his extreme language off-putting those wh…

Why doesn't opposing capitalism count as a policy? It seems entirely reasonable for one of the people in that +32 to say "well, I like a lot of Bernie's proposals, but he thinks we should put fetters on capitalism and I think we shouldn't do that". (Multiple people I know have told me something along those lines, although I should acknowledge it's true they were all boomers.)

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Post by acidmath »

cammikebrown wrote: post #435
milesrout wrote: post #405

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Nobody is banning books. Removing inappropriate material from school libraries isn't book banning. Have you seen some of the books that are being removed? That books with graphic depictions of aren't appropriate for children is a view perfectly compatible with strong support for freedom of expression.

They’re literally banning The Handmaid’s Tale. Not good https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/margaret-a...

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Post by tstrimple »

winter_blue wrote: post #86
nine_zeros wrote: post #46

I find it remarkable that Americans are ok with rule by executive order instead of rule by congressional law. I also find it fascinating that no federal judge has held any Trump administration officers in contempt or imposed sanctions/bans on officers who are continuously hurting constitutional rights. I assume that Americans have been sleeping at the wheel, unaware of the threat of slide into fascism. But is the vot…

It might be better to say “Republicans” instead of “Americans” as you do. Americans are a deeply divided group of people: one-third republicans, one-third democrats, and one-third apathetic. The one-third of Americans who are republicans put Trump in power, and are indirectly responsible for what’s happening — and the vast majority of them of course wholeheartedly fully support these violations of the First Amendment…

Doesn't matter that Democrats oppose it. The fact that there are enough Americans who do support it puts us well beyond trust for any international audience. Democrats could be the best allies and most cooperative people in the world. But Republicans will just tear up any treaties or agreements the next time they get power. It's now impossible to trust the US. The world has seen who we really are and the Democrats have been completely useless at mitigating any of it. The last image the world got from our Democrats is them campaigning with the Cheney's.

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Post by gmueckl »

nine_k wrote: post #444
kopirgan wrote: post #410

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Wasn't it the other way around for way too long and still is in places like UK, Germany?!

Neither of these countries has a free speech provision in the constitution. To the opposite, both explicitly ban certain kinds of speech.

Germany does guarantees free speech in article 5 of its constitution.

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Post by croes »

danavar wrote: post #486
harry8 wrote: post #353

Now might be a good time to revisit the twitter files and really try to understand what was in them and why it was horrifying. Seems many people wanted to pretend they were nothing because it didn't suit their partisan narrative. We're seeing the same kinds of justification now just with different partisans. If we don't call out abuses by our own tribe (whichever that is), maybe we're part of the attack.

Exactly. Let's not forget the real attempts at the government's internet censorship of previous administrations. Nobody seemed to care about that then. Like give me a break. The previous admin took steps towards censoring real information that would be politically harmful to them, and now we're supposed to feel bad about the current admin who is taking productive steps against antagonist agents within our country? I…

Let me get this straight what the previous government did was wrong but what they now do is right because it’s against antagonist agents?

Sorry but that sounds like out of the fascist playbook.

They all just fought against „enemies“, but they decided who was declared an enemy.

In the end everybody who said anything against them was declared an enemy.

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Post by someothherguyy »

ralfd wrote: post #539
someothherguyy wrote: post #309

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RFA is funded by USAGM a independent agency of the US federal government. Do you argue against the idea of an independent agency? Are you saying its dismantlement was legal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Agency_for_Global_Media https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_agencies_of_the_Un...

> In June 2018, President Trump announced his intention to nominate documentary film producer Michael Pack to head the agency. He was confirmed by the Senate two years later, and served from June 5, 2020 until January 20, 2021, when he was asked to resign at the request of newly-inaugurated President Joe Biden. Doesnt sound very independent to me if the President can exchange the agency head.

Some history there:

https://www.rferl.org/a/obama-signs-law-restructuring-us-int...

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Post by dbmikus »

andreygrehov wrote: post #330
nozzlegear wrote: post #224

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The US is not at war, isn't being invaded by an aggressive neighboring country, and doesn't have an active draft. That is the key difference that you're obtusely refusing to acknowledge here.

I never said the US is at war with anybody. I said: "that reminds me of what's happening in my hometown in Ukraine". > isn't being invaded According to the White House, there is an invasion: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot...

This is BS that Trump is making up so he can say the USA is at war and deport people without due process.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trum...

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Post by cvz »

facile3232 wrote: post #422
lblume wrote: post #418

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Free speech should be considered a non-negotiable human right. You can't just trade those off against each other. The distinction into "materially meaningful" rights in my opinion just shows how easily both types of rights are taken for granted until noticeably revoked.

It's not even a coherent concept the way westerners use it. I would be much happier if we called it "acceptable speech" or something to acknowledge you can't call for dismembering your Tutsi cockroach neighbor. Idk why, maybe I'm just being sensitive. "Free speech" as a right seems pretty useless without material rights. Complaining about it isn't going to change anything. What does that even look like? But we can tr…

> We can chuck the entire concept of rights out the window and come up with agreements surrounding social behavior that actually reflect the society and culture we have today or want tomorrow.

What, exactly, do you think a right even is, if not an agreement that something cannot be done to people or cannot be taken away from them?

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