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The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by tonymet »

Barrin92 wrote: post #497
tonymet wrote: post #250

For those advocating for “dead internet” aka “it was all dogshit anyway” – where is the boundary for non-dogshit information? Presumably everything we consume originated from or is adjacent to content from the internet. Even original content & sources are reading the internet themselves. Perhaps you are internet aristocracy advocating “Google for thee and arXiv.org for me” . Are the folks writing our peer reviewed st…

>You can’t put the sewer next to the water supply and expect the two not to mix together. You can in digital communication because we have cryptography. That's the reason we can have secure https traffic over a really insecure web. The future is probably that almost everything authentic is going to be signed and everything else we'll just assume comes from a bot.

Bots can sign. and how do sigs stop the citogenesis ? people will continue to believe and reference BS.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by tonymet »

nerdponx wrote: post #355
tonymet wrote: post #256

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You see how that’s worse, don’t you?

It was a growing trend even before ChatGPT was released. The trend accelerated, but it's not new .

that's not good. it's actually worse if it's not new. and I agree it's not new.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by tonymet »

BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #416
tonymet wrote: post #256

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You see how that’s worse, don’t you?

The thing that you initially said was, as I interpreted, that there’s a very large difference between no sewage and a little, since a low concentration is still dangerous. The response to you pointed out that we already have sewage in the supply, implying it may not make a huge difference to add more. I feel like you’re goalpost moving.

I'm agreeing with you. The only part i'm highlighting is that continuing a bad trend is even worse.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by photonthug »

freejazz wrote: post #512
photonthug wrote: post #494

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It's not a baseless complaint to observe that the internet was better when you could simply click on a website and read it, as opposed to dismissing several popups about tracking cookies or like-and-subscribe.

I think it is, especially as a response to the idea that the internet is starting to lack substance

Lacking substance is one symptom, harassing users in various ways is another symptom. The common cause is prioritizing traffic/audience/influence over content. It's not like it's impossible to provide substance without popups. It's fine to have a newsletter, but the respectful thing is to let me choose and don't push it at me. This is obvious.. I'm not sure why you're so eager to defend the sad new normal as if this was unavoidable

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Post by EasyMark »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #101
peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

We should start donating more heavily to archive.org - the way back machine may soon be the only way to find useful data on the internet, by cutting out anything published after ~2020 or so.

I update my wikipedia copy every few months, but I can't really afford to back up internet archive. I do send them and around $10 every christmas as part of my $100 bucks to my favorite sites like archive, wikipedia, etc

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Post by jstarfish »

freejazz wrote: post #473
jstarfish wrote: post #310

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Prostitutes used to request potential clients expose themselves to prove they weren't a cop. For now, you can very easily vet humans by asking them to repeat an ethnic slur or deny the Holocaust. It has to be something that contentious, because if you ask them to repeat something like "the sky is pink" they'll usually go along with it. None of the mainstream models can stop themselves from responding to SJW bait, and…

This is a good heuristic to distinguish people who haven't grown up since middle school and still think stuff like that is humorous

I wasn't suggesting it for laughs. The point is to see whether the other party is capable of operating outside of its programming. Racism is "illegal" to LLMs.

Gangs do it too. Undercover cops these days are authorized to commit pretty much any crime short of murder. So to join their gang, you have to kill a rival member.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by CaptainFever »

krapp wrote: post #203
CaptainFever wrote: post #151

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I can't really see a relevance between "we should spend more time with trusted people", which is an argument for restricting who can write to our online spaces, and "we should be unindexable and untrainable", which is an argument for restricting who can read our online spaces. I still hold that moving to proprietary, informational-black-hole platforms like Discord is a bad thing. Sure, use platforms that don't allow…

Read access to humans means read access to AIs. We can't stop the cancer but we can at least try to slow its spread.

This assumes that there are no legitimate uses to AI. This is clearly not true, so you can't really just equate the two. If you want better content, restrict writing, not reading. It's that simple.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by sssilver »

chasd00 wrote: post #217
blackhaz wrote: post #176

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That's an interesting idea. Until AIs will get access to keyboard drivers to type their dogshit.

yeah it doesn't seem much of a hurdle to take the output of an LLM and feed it to a device that mashes the buttons on a keyboard and then presses enter.

Who’d sign their certificate?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by TimurSadekov »

emsign wrote: post #315
pavel_lishin wrote: post #101

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We should start donating more heavily to archive.org - the way back machine may soon be the only way to find useful data on the internet, by cutting out anything published after ~2020 or so.

I won't even bet on archive.org to survive. I will soon upgrade my home NAS to ~100TB and fill it up with all kinds of information and media /r/datahoarder style. Gonna archive the usual suspects like Wikipedia and also download some YouTube channels. I think now is the last chance to still get information that hasn't been tainted by LLM crap. The window of opportunity is closing fast.

The last chance to get reliable information that hasn't been tainted by the bullshit of LLM hallucinations is CyberPravda (dot) com project. The window of opportunity is closing fast.
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