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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by pavel_lishin »

peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

We should start donating more heavily to archive.org - the way back machine may soon be the only way to find useful data on the internet, by cutting out anything published after ~2020 or so.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by larodi »

Wondering whether 10-12 years from now the internet becomes a hostile, corpo-inhibited medium, while the personal LLMs are what we take knowledge from. In reality some (of us) already do so, the only thing is that we don't really know what the LLMs were fed to begin with, but is assumed to be a reality-based information.

Your personal Search Engine is your personal model which you evolve to your needs. Safely including with your history, your chats, your family's memory. Internet then exists only as technical means to reach big corpo nets (heavily guarded against anyone extracting info from them) and as a ring of guerilla websites or fediverses, which are open by nature and resemble the old internet.

It is really to my opinion that this happens earlier than 2036.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by novagameco »

TrackerFF wrote: post #97
novagameco wrote: post #3

This is also known as the dead internet theory, which sounded a bit stupid before 2023: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory > The dead Internet theory is an online conspiracy theory that asserts that the Internet now consists mainly of bot activity and automatically generated content that is manipulated by algorithmic curation, marginalizing organic human activity. Proponents of the theory believe thes…

Even closed platforms like FB is dogshit now. Click on any story, and the comment section is 80% bots. Doesn't mater if it's serious users like NYT, CNN, or whatever. I've also noticed a huge uptick in spammy pages and groups that pump out AI generated pictures and stories, with nothing but bots upvoting and commenting the content. These days I only use FB for private hobby groups, and messenger to talk with friends…

Yeah I used to be a huge facebook addict when it was just me and my friends in high school (and before there were any other social media platforms). I posted comments, pictures, quotes that 14 year old me thought were deep and edgy. When it became a media or news aggregator, I lost all interest in it.

Today I just use it for FB messenger to keep in contact with my parents. They use the social features and the news media parts as well. Some of my friends from high school post pictures now that they're having kids. I noticed that, in our early 20s, people moved from Facebook to Instagram, but now in our late 20s and early 30s, people post more family oriented content on facebook

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by gedy »

kaetemi wrote: post #58
gedy wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like there's a place for an semi-intelligent browser that consolidates and filters all this crap content to get to the point, wikipedia style. Includes images and you read it like a page, not chat interface. "WebGPT", etc.

So, Edge?

Not really what I meant, that still has a search-engine results page vibe. I meant when you search you get a singular, readable page back about whatever topic. It basically hides and filters the backing content, expect for maybe reference links at bottom.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by austinjp »

TrackerFF wrote: post #65

Makes me wonder how the advertisement industry is going to cope with the ever-growing influx of non-human users. What happens when the conversion rates plummet to zero? Maybe I'm cynic, but a completely walled-off / paid internet doesn't seem too unrealistic. You'll have to pay a subscription to every website you want to visit. On one side you have the open internet wasteland, filled to the brim with AI bots / genera…

I've not really considered this before, but I might actually be interested in a 'white-listed' web. This is obviously possible entirely client-side with a plug-in that white-lists domains and allows you to edit the list.

I'm wondering if there's a genuine opportunity here to go further. A client-side browser plug-in, plus a SaaS which automatically vets pages on-the-fly to guesstimate the chance they're AI-generated, spammy, etc. So if you visit a new domain the plug-in auto-updates the white-list, prompting you to confirm the judgement, maybe prompting to add the domain to UB0 or similar.

Again, this could all be done entirely client-side if the guesstimation algorithm is efficient enough. But a centralised database would confer other obvious advantages, like basing the guesstimation score on decisions from similar users, building a giant up-to-date list with fast lookup, that sort of thing. Site listings and other data from Kagi, marginalia.nu and Mwmble.com would be a great starting place. Obviously it would have to protect against the system being gamed, Sybil attacks and what have you.

I'd pay a dozen CURRENCY per year for that.

Maybe this exists already, or something similar?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by welder »

branon wrote: post #5

Never thought I'd say this, but in times like these, with clearnet in such dire straits, all the information siloed away inside Discord doesn't seem like such a bad thing. Remaining unindexable by search engines all but guarantees you'll never appear alongside AI slop or be used as training data. The future of the Internet truly is people - the machines can no longer be trusted to perform even the basic tasks they on…

Discord is searchable: https://www.answeroverflow.com/

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by larodi »

nunez wrote: post #100

This is an old problem that LLM-generated content only accelerated. LMGTFY died when Google tripled down on growing their ad revenue and adtech dominance and SEO ran rampant throughout search results. It is fairly difficult to get non-biased factual information from a naked query these days, which is why I try to search for info on Reddit first. This isn't a panacea either given that it's been chock-ful of astroturfe…

one thing to always remember, which may also easily repulse you from ever using google search again - it does not give search results. it generates a carefully crafted page which caters to your bubble. so does FB, so does Twitter, etc. just using different algos. Google search does not return the same results for the same query for different people, which a) makes it so different from AltaVista and historical search engines (from ElasticSearch if you want); and b) this is enough to NOT treat it as a search engine, even though is still billed as one....but as a personal wall of ad-designated BS.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by TillE »

pawelmurias wrote: post #28
branon wrote: post #5

Never thought I'd say this, but in times like these, with clearnet in such dire straits, all the information siloed away inside Discord doesn't seem like such a bad thing. Remaining unindexable by search engines all but guarantees you'll never appear alongside AI slop or be used as training data. The future of the Internet truly is people - the machines can no longer be trusted to perform even the basic tasks they on…

AI spam bots will invade discord.

And they'll get banned by moderators. Ultimately that's the key ingredient in any good strategy here: human curation.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by causal »

nunez wrote: post #100

This is an old problem that LLM-generated content only accelerated. LMGTFY died when Google tripled down on growing their ad revenue and adtech dominance and SEO ran rampant throughout search results. It is fairly difficult to get non-biased factual information from a naked query these days, which is why I try to search for info on Reddit first. This isn't a panacea either given that it's been chock-ful of astroturfe…

Finally switched to Kagi when I realized Google could not find a particular ThreeJS class doc page for me no matter what keywords I used, I had to paste the very URL of the page for it to appear at the top of my search results.

Kagi got it first try using the class name. Paid search is the way, ad incentives are at odds with search. Made Kagi my address bar default search and it's been great.

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