Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT • Hacker News Board

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by zadler » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 11:12 PM UTC

olalonde wrote: post #299

nih0 wrote: post #148

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I get you, feels like our politicians dont understand anything but sometimes I enjoy living somewhere where companies cant just do anything.

Why though? Italians had more freedom and choice before this ban. They were free to decide for themselves whether they wanted to use ChatGPT or not. Now they have one less option. Is that really a good thing?

Remains to be seen if the ban is sustained, but it would be great if there were a few holdout counties that can act as controls. AI tech and robots has a pretty big social dimension too.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by elorant » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 11:12 PM UTC

fofoz wrote: post #109

prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

Report from Greece. Our local privacy watchdog last year fined Clearview with €20Μ. Meanwhile, it’s unclear whether Clearview operates in Greece. They certainly have no office here. I seriously doubt the fine will ever be collected.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by moffkalast » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 11:13 PM UTC

seydor wrote: post #435

While this is obviously a dumb move, there are 2 upsides for Italy: - Italy, like the rest of south europe is hobbled by an army of bureaucrats doing busywork and their jobs are the first to be threatened by an AI speaking fluent Italian. So it helps them to keep unemployment from getting even higher - It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great…

> Italy has great engineers

Does it? Ferrari's become a real joke in recent years. I do fully buy the bureaucrats being threatened by automation theory though.

> this is obviously a dumb move

It's also a dumb move by OpenAI to pretend they can get away with not processing data in the EU like any other service has to. Just spin up a few instances, what's the big deal? It's just complete arrogance on their part. GDPR is not an optional suggestion.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by cbeach » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 11:14 PM UTC

mattrighetti wrote: post #192

prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

Let's not forget that these people, not a long time ago, worked hand-in-hand with the government to promote contact tracing applications at a time where it was clear that they could potentially be used to steal data from their users.

The bureaucrats were sure to add clauses to their privacy laws to grant themselves carte blanche powers during “extraordinary events”

All they needed, then, was to have an event appear “extraordinary” and they could legally compromise the privacy of the entire population.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by smcl » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 11:20 PM UTC

bakugo wrote: post #518

Zurrrrr wrote: post #87

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Singapore has to be one of the worst places to live. I don't care how 'nice' their society might seem, their overstep is too steep by far. "Custom officers can subject travellers to a drug screening test at the point of entry to Singapore. If you test positive for drugs, you can be arrested and prosecuted, even if the drugs were consumed prior to your arrival in the country." That's insanity.

Sounds pretty great to me. Might be because I'm not a drug addict though.

You don't necessarily need to be a drug addict to enjoy edibles or a joint every now and again. It's a really fucking nice way to unwind once in a while. That said some bits of SG life seem good, I only visited briefly but the food and the public transport was pretty good. If you don't ruffle any feathers and you have a well-paid job your life in Singapore would probably be pretty fine. However 30C year round might be a little bit repetitive.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by moffkalast » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 11:21 PM UTC

sdfghswe wrote: post #142

SanderNL wrote: post #125

'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' So do (certain) books. That's another issue right? If you let your minor access stuff, they.. access stuff. Hard to control? I know and it is. How is this specific to OpenAI?

So does the internet.

Don't show that to Italy, they may consider banning the internet next.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by jug » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 11:21 PM UTC

Pretty much identical reasons to why they blocked Replika, the chat bot.

User data uncertainties and not enough age gated.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by moffkalast » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 11:22 PM UTC

mattrighetti wrote: post #541

OpenAI has now blocked access to ChatGPT in Italy, if you try to reach https://chat.openai.com you're going to be greeted with 403 Access denied.

I wonder what happens to Italians that paid for pro, who ends up having to refund them?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by cbeach » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 11:23 PM UTC

munk-a wrote: post #450

seydor wrote: post #435

While this is obviously a dumb move, there are 2 upsides for Italy: - Italy, like the rest of south europe is hobbled by an army of bureaucrats doing busywork and their jobs are the first to be threatened by an AI speaking fluent Italian. So it helps them to keep unemployment from getting even higher - It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great…

"this is obviously a dumb move" I'm going to need a citation for that. Yea, technology needs to be able to progress but ChatGPT looks poised to be the next generation in mass spam distribution and misinformation. I think it's always a good idea to embrace innovation in technology while also looking at what downsides that innovation may have - in this particular case if Italy stands alone their decision will be extrem…

Banning ChatGPT within your own country will not defend your fellow citizens (in any way) from bad actors in other countries using AI to spam, disinform and manipulate your fellow citizens.

The Internet is bigger than Italy

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by stereoradonc » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 11:23 PM UTC

LightBug1 wrote: post #466

fofoz wrote: post #109

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I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

Report from the UK. I'm a British prince. I have a business proposition for you. It could be financially very lucrative. Having left the EU, we are finding it hard to make ends meet. If you send me £50k,I will be able to release £100m frozen in evil EU banks. I will give you 50%.

The UK now replaces Nigeria. Bravo! It's come a long way.