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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Karunamon »

ChatGTP wrote: post #146
chatmasta wrote: post #116

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It's authoritarian to prevent their citizens from using a tool that makes them more productive and gives them a way to explore a new technology. Imagine if Italy banned Google searches in 2002. Actually, China did that and we rightfully called them authoritarian then, just like we should call Italy authoritarian now.

…right, all of the world should give away their secrets for training purposes to make OpenAI more money ? Give me a break…

If someone wants to "give away their secrets", it is authoritarian to tell them they can't.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by jlangenauer »

cft wrote: post #202
nih0 wrote: post #148

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I get you, feels like our politicians dont understand anything but sometimes I enjoy living somewhere where companies cant just do anything.

I'm an American that have been living in Europe for 15 months. My perspective is that Europe is ruled by old aristocracy that is happy with the way the life is. They're very afraid of any change, especially of giving people something constructive to do on a large scale. Another reason might be that Europe went through the two World wars, and therefore they're generally scared of any change.

I see it less as an aristocracy (most of which are sidelined and/or laughed at), but instead a highly-evolved technocracy which runs Europe according to their ideal of what the citizens should want, and with a certain fear of democracy based on the occasionally vile things that European democracies have done. There is a definite fear of the people, and a elite consensus that they must be managed for their own good.

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Post by throwaway50601 »

SanderNL wrote: post #209
riffraff wrote: post #198

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> How is this specific to OpenAI? it's not, that's why there are consent thingies on websites (e.g. when you could not sign up for instagram as a minor). I don't know what strange thing the regulator found in chatgpt, but it's pretty standard.

It would be really sad to shut down one of the most influential pieces of tech in modern history because they didn't implement the "consent dialog" just right.

Nobody is shutting it down, this is just EU/Italy self-sabotaging :) the rest of the world will carry on at incredible pace they won't ever be able to match - or catch up.

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Post by dane-pgp »

cowl wrote: post #237
SanderNL wrote: post #179

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Your point is GPT is way more dangerous? I guess I can be nonchalant about this topic. For me personally I cannot imagine something worse than either books or anything you can already access on the internet. To me it is not an assault rifle as you say, but I understand that's just an opinion.

Books are under control, children can not enter a library and get Adult books. The internet in general can have filters and many Parents activate personal firewalls for this purpose. Even Google has safeSearch that filters results for explicit adult or violent content. ChatGpt right now does not have these "parental controls". yes you can bypass most of them but you need to know technical details. they can not be byp…

> children can not enter a library and get Adult books

Is that true? Can a 13 year old child in Italy not walk into their local town library and pick a novel off the shelf and start reading all sorts of violent and explicit narratives? Not to mention all the medical textbooks, and books containing images of artistic works depicting undressed humans.

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Post by ReptileMan »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #233
SanderNL wrote: post #209

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It would be really sad to shut down one of the most influential pieces of tech in modern history because they didn't implement the "consent dialog" just right.

> didn't implement the "consent dialog" just right I think it’s called a “consent thingy”

It's called "That one more piece of Brussels crap that didn't solve the problem but makes people lives worse"

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Post by throwaway50601 »

register wrote: post #152
atsjie wrote: post #114

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If they are the same, why hasn't Google been banned in Italy all these years? There must be something fundamentally different between the two, and I'm not sure what it is.

OpenAI is not complying with GDPR regulations and has failed to provide the Italian government with information needed to comply with the regulations. It has 20 days to comply. I find that this should be the norm for this kind of services. Otherwise it is just Far West in the name of progress and the benefit of few.

Practically everyone is talking about and using ChatGPT. I can't visit a bar without hearing almost everyone talking about it. It's everywhere in public transport. People are talking about it in dance clubs. People are talking about it at the post office. Grandmas at the convenience store are talking about it.

It's "the few" who are not taking advantage of it.

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Post by swores »

m3drano wrote: post #273
bboygravity wrote: post #59

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Isn't openAI basically Microsoft now?

It's a pseudo wholly owned subsidiary since a while, isn't it?

"Microsoft would have a 49% stake in OpenAI, with other investors taking another 49% and OpenAI's nonprofit parent getting 2%, Semafor said."

https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-talks-invest-10...

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Post by xdennis »

baxtr wrote: post #41

Saying this as a European: Whenever I visit Italy, I love the food, I love the people, I love the weather and the beaches. However, I often sense that in many places, the country seems to be entrenched in its medieval past. This decision will not accelerate Italy's progress towards a more prosperous future.

> However, I often sense that in many places, the country seems to be entrenched in its medieval past.

Hear that Italians? If you don't surrender your data and your privacy to American companies you are medieval. According to some other comments, you are fascist too.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by olalonde »

nih0 wrote: post #148
dagorenouf wrote: post #130

Europe on top of innovation once again. Watch out US and China! /s (I say this as a French citizen)

I get you, feels like our politicians dont understand anything but sometimes I enjoy living somewhere where companies cant just do anything.

Why though? Italians had more freedom and choice before this ban. They were free to decide for themselves whether they wanted to use ChatGPT or not. Now they have one less option. Is that really a good thing?

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Post by jodrellblank »

throwaway50601 wrote: post #289
seanhunter wrote: post #276

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As an example, Boris Johnson infamously claimed in the runup to brexit that "Prawn Cocktail" flavour crisps were being banned by the EU. It turned out that the UK had simply forgotten to submit this flavour to the list of flavourings when it was being compiled. This error was quietly corrected (by the UK).[1] [1] From the FT but here's a non-paywalled link https://archive.is/p4H9X

Why the hell is there a list of crisp flavors at the EU? What if I want to make and sell my own original one?

Are you seriously confused why governments regulate what can be put in food and sold to the public?

Here's a classic for you, one of the early incidents which lead to this kind of regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning

Here's some more contemporary links:

https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/add...

https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/fla...

Which includes an answer to your question: "The procedure for authorisation of a flavouring substance is common to the one established for food additives and enzymes under Regulation (EC) No 1331/2008."

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