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One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

You're not angered that you were advised to give this to a 15 year old with no upside even after he was hospitalized for 2 weeks as a result?!

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Flu shots also use a vaccine mechanism that's been known/used for decades and is not a first of its kind in history mRNA treatment. I feel like this difference would lead towards one requiring more testing than the other, at least in a rational society. [Edit] For anyone that wants to downvote this, please explain what I said that was untrue. Flu shots in the US have never been mRNA based. Covid shots in the US are m…

I didn't downvote you but if the 12 billion or so COVID vaccine doses issued world wide don't convince you that the vaccine is statistically safe, at least as safe as something as common as paracetamol or aspirin, then what amount of testing would convince you?

The 12 billion or so COVID vaccine doses given also only have a history of ~2 years. If the adverse effects of it were say for instance, minor cardiac damage that resulted in no acute symptoms, but instead an overall reduction in life expectancy by 5 years, the costs of such would not be known for some time. Another side of this is the possible cumulative effects of ongoing covid vaccination boosters that have no long term data.

Finally also the danger of immunological imprinting[1] possibly resulting in less than optimal immune response. The fact these vaccines have little impact on transmissibility means basic evolutional biology theory is at play, driving selective pressures for antigens humans are less capable of mounting defenses against thanks to an already primed imuno response of the original virus' antigens. This is evident with the proliferation of variants and sub variants.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Original_antigenic_sin

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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How?! Did they have to build an extra annex to the building just for that?

And there lies the issue with propping up the demand side of the equation with unlimited money from the government rather than regulating the supply side with affordable charges.

I don't think you can use ordinary market dynamics to regulate healthcare. During an emergency you should be driving to the closest hospital, not the most affordable one. And during an emergency you really have no insight as to how much of an emergency you have on your hands. Healthcare can essentially demand your entire worth. The market also has not even provided sufficient incentive for hospitals to announce their prices up-front.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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It's interesting the narratives you hear with regards to antivaxxers. My sister is vegan and is in many vegan, all-natural, etc Facebook groups. She told me there's a lot of overlap of people there and people who chose not take the COVID vaccine. One of her best friends is a teacher in Canada from Trinidad; she grew up without vaccines and similarly never gave her child the COVID vaccine These two examples just seeme…

Before covid, I think the "hippy dippy" vegan, naturepath, yogi stereotype was associated most strongly with anti vaxxers. Covid was politicized, and so it became a right wing stereotype to not want the vaccine. But specifically the covid vaccine. I don't think most right wing anti-covid-vaxxers are anti vax in general.

Covid was hardly the start of the conservative antivax or alternative medicine movement. Naturalnews.com has been right-wing and antivax since 2008.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Several of my friends and coworkers do that. All of them have gotten covid. N95 masks reduce the risk of getting a respiratory disease, but they're nowhere close to foolproof. A CDC study found that people who wore N95 masks were 83% less likely to get covid than people who wore no mask,[1] but that overstates their effectiveness. People who wear N95s tend to behave differently than people who don't wear masks. They…

I have been traveling a lot this past year (a dozen flights), vigilantly wearing an N95 mask while indoors, and I've yet to get sick. Meanwhile, my slightly less vigilant travel companion got Covid during one of our flights, possibly from removing her mask to take a drink of water. Was it luck? Maybe to some extent, but I'm much more confident in the effectiveness of a well-sealed N95 than I was a year ago, that's fo…

I've noticed no pattern with me or my friends. I haven't gotten covid despite spending days unmasked, indoors, with people who were infectious. Some of my friends have gotten ridiculously unlucky, getting covid and taking weeks to recover despite being young, healthy, boosted, and wearing N95s everywhere. Of course general rules apply: A mask is better than nothing. Vaccines reduce the risk and severity of infection. But these interventions aren't as effective as originally claimed, and the variance in outcomes is massive. You can't just put on an N95, live life normally, and expect to avoid this disease.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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How?! Did they have to build an extra annex to the building just for that?

Good luck building a hospital wing for $170k.

It only had to have one bed.

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> Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.

An Israeli study reported here: https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/07/08/no-increase-myocarditi... [‘The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study’.] finds “no increase in incidence of myocarditis” after Covid infection in unvaccinated adults.

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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> ...then there would be more myocarditis issues from people not vaccinating... Yes. Myocarditis seven times more likely with COVID-19 than vaccines https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/967801 Myocarditis Risk 17 Times Higher for Unvaccinated Patients Ages 12-30 Who Get COVID-19 Than COVID-Vaccinated Patients https://www.epicresearch.org/articles/myocarditis-risk-17-ti... Myocarditis risk significantly higher aft…

I wonder why those studies differ from this one, that did not find a higher incidence in myocarditis in COVID patients. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/

The studies I cited include 58 million, 15 million, and 43 million people, respectively.

The study you cite is just 200k people.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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People I know are getting COVID in the Bay Area -- multiple weeks sick (I can count at least 6 -- in the moment -- for the span of middle of October until now). We are still in the pandemic. The problem is it has to stop everywhere for us to get complacent. Especially, given that everyone wants to travel -- and travel abroad. Pandemic is here. Nothing is over. We are distracted with other things. Things are "good" in…

Same here. I live just north of NYC and it seems like pretty much everyone is getting covid. Luckily, mortality attributed to covid is continuing to decrease suggesting it's becoming less of an issue (in terms of deaths), but even with ~320 deaths a day, we're still looking at over 100k dying in the US every year of covid - despite the fact that a lot of the most vulnerable already died. I think we just have a new no…

That is not "of Covid", it is "with Covid". We are still counting a Covid death for each person who has Covid at the time of death, regardless of what actually caused the death. Probably some of those people died exactly of Covid, but many died of at least two things, counting "having Covid" as one of the co-morbidities.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Canada might be our neighbor but it’s wildly different from a population and care perspective.

Why is that the case? Moderna is good for Americans under 30 but not Canadians under 30?

Could it be because lifestyle factors in the US put more u30 at risk of dying from Covid than in Canada? Or that the most vulnerable populations in Canada still have access to healthcare if they do need a ventilator?

Genuinely hypothesizing, I am not sure of the answer but that’s what came to mind when I read your question.

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