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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by aserafini »

wahern wrote: post #466
MereInterest wrote: post #464

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Because it establishes an exploitative precedent that shouldn't be followed. Because it hides the true cost of a project, which may result in poor decisions later on. Because the cost of a decision/process should fall on the person or company who has the ability to change it. Because using wages to pay for business expenses wasn't part of the employment agreement. Any one of these would suffice. For personal expenses…

The problem is that there's simply no easy fix for these bureaucratic frictions and sub-optimal equilibriums. It's the nature of large organizations--they trade efficiencies in some areas for inefficiencies in others. I decided long ago not to worry about such expenses because 1) the engineer in me hates this inefficiency and urges me to fix or work around it (depending on your perspective), 2) navigating bureaucrati…

Unfortunately your policy, in a small way, perpetuates this ‘sub-optimal’ efficiency by obscuring the true cost of your work from your employer.

You’re making life harder for everyone else!

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by syshum »

raesene9 wrote: post #511
staysafeanon wrote: post #236

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Podman: https://podman.io/

Podman isn't a replacement for Docker Desktop (the products in question here). Podman is closest in function to docker engine, which is still open source.

My original comment was not just about Docker Desktop. Their Shenanigans around the Docker Desktop commercial product has cost them alot of good will, and support for their other offerings.

This is why podman, and others are looking to replace the docker engine which while still open source is tainted by the actions of the parent company

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by viraptor »

aenis wrote: post #324
noir_lord wrote: post #223

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“2.4Ghz Laser Based Human Interface Device, $10” seems cheap approved.

Too cheap. Been in a few places where getting 700k for something with a boring but plausible name was a no questions asked thing, but trying to get a $15 miro board license was literally impissible. I paid for a lot of tools out of my own pocket to avoid the hassle. I bet I am not alone with this approach.

It's not even about the price or approval. For mental health, I'll pay for my keyboard and mouse from a local shop rather than get a quote from an approved provider, submit it for approval, submit it to IT, submit the receipt to process expenses, and wait for delivery of an approved-crappy-hardware. (with two run corrections because I didn't fill out the forms properly) It's not worth it.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by viraptor »

trey-jones wrote: post #161
eptcyka wrote: post #151

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What is the value add for Docker Desktop? In a world where podman exists, what's the point of docker on dev machines anyway?

Well, I hadn't heard of podman until now, and I imagine I'm not the only one. Does it consistently have functional parity with docker?

It doesn't do caching, which disqualifies it from many use cases unfortunately:

https://docs.podman.io/en/latest/markdown/podman-build.1.htm...

> --cache-from

> Images to utilize as potential cache sources. Podman does not currently support caching so this is a NOOP.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by FridgeSeal »

cies wrote: post #237
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #215

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I've been fortunate enough to work at companies where engineers were trusted to make small purchasing decisions. It works well for a while, but eventually everyone accumulates a lot of random recurring charges and the company cracks down. $21 is nothing for a one-time spend. $21 per month per employee is now $252/year per employee, but now you also need someone managing all of these licenses and accounting. Every new…

> requires some juggling of licenses with associated turn-around times This! I've always said that a bit reason for FLOSS to win over the internet server-side is because scaling fast and juggling livenses is just too hard. Especially with the prying eyes of Oracle/MSFT/etc's powerful legal teams and hidden "phone home" code. Going with a LAMP stack was just to simplest way to keep moving at speed.

I’ve had this very conversation with work colleagues. We can go through the inordinate-pain of acquiring a licence, and all that entails, or we can choose open-source solution and be making progress by the end of the day.

There’s a dozen services I could buy for work that would probably improve things dramatically, for very little cost, but almost nothing is worth the pain of “get sign off. Get sign off again. Fill in paperwork. Wait n weeks. Get more sign off. Wait even longer for finance to do their thing.”

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Post by dralley »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #518
dralley wrote: post #139

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> Instead they killed all the competition and are now demanding money. So yeah, this is the first move by Docker that has made me kind of mad at the company. Which alternatives did they kill? The Podman tool ecosystem is doing fine and is closing in on being a complete replacement, and Docker Swarm hasn't exactly killed k{number}s.

"k{number}s" means k8s, right? Is this a reference or something?

k8s, k3s

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by orthoxerox »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #390
namdnay wrote: post #158

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That’s assuming some kind soul in engineering management has the patience and leverage to guide this through 10 layers of purchasing, procurement, finance, legal etc… Another likely outcome is that it’s “easier” for teams to switch to another tool (easier in that at least they’re not waiting on a third party for approval) and everyone loses a lot of time Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kin…

OpEx is much easier to get vs CapX. That's why so many things are subscription now. (also Sarbaines Oxley pushed vendors into subscription models)

> OpEx is much easier to get vs CapX

Not where I work at. IT opex are a recurring cost item with no visible benefits, so are squeezed dry at every annual budget review. Capex are seen as investments into something new and good and their impact on the bottom line is amortized over several years.

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Post by antonyh »

eptcyka wrote: post #175
trey-jones wrote: post #161

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Well, I hadn't heard of podman until now, and I imagine I'm not the only one. Does it consistently have functional parity with docker?

trey-jones, I apologize, but I cannot reply to you directly. The biggest showstopper for podman is that it runs entirely in userspace on Linux. Having said that, I use it as a drop-in replacement for Docker and it's only become better in the past year. This is somewhat irrelevant to the Docker Desktop product, as podman doesn't provide a nice packaged up solution, but you can use podman on Windows and Mac as long as…

This might even be a good selling point - sharing a container host amongst multiple devs means that the hardware for devs can be lighter/cheaper.

Even for myself flying solo I can use my old desktop as a Podman server, conserving RAM/CPU in my development env. Sounds good to me.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #215
namdnay wrote: post #158

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That’s assuming some kind soul in engineering management has the patience and leverage to guide this through 10 layers of purchasing, procurement, finance, legal etc… Another likely outcome is that it’s “easier” for teams to switch to another tool (easier in that at least they’re not waiting on a third party for approval) and everyone loses a lot of time Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kin…

I've been fortunate enough to work at companies where engineers were trusted to make small purchasing decisions. It works well for a while, but eventually everyone accumulates a lot of random recurring charges and the company cracks down. $21 is nothing for a one-time spend. $21 per month per employee is now $252/year per employee, but now you also need someone managing all of these licenses and accounting. Every new…

It's almost as if a manager or engineer shouldn't manage the overall finances of a company or department... Gee, I wonder if there's a job title or something like that that could manage finances like this?

Real talk: Just hire people. The US especially has a huge amount of college educated people who struggle to find a job that matches their chosen education. If you can't find someone that matches the exact profile, pay for an education and training. As a company, don't accept just winging it - especially not if you have enough money.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by lugged »

_joel wrote: post #301
vesinisa wrote: post #239

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Wait, so you're running your app on virtualized Linux inside Docker inside Linux inside Virtualbox inside native MacOS?

It's spinning pinwheels all the way down

I use Linux and I have no idea what y'all are talking about.
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