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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Can you link me to a single of those alternatives? It must be equally easy to use

Podman: https://podman.io/

Podman isn't a replacement for Docker Desktop (the products in question here).

Podman is closest in function to docker engine, which is still open source.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Someone making $250k/year shouldn't think twice dropping $21/month on a tool that truly makes them more productive. A year or two ago I bought a personal license to Ubuntu FIPS after being urgently asked to debug an issue w/ Python's OpenSSL bindings. Unsurprisingly it turned out that my company had an enterprise license, and had I known whom to contact (which I didn't), I could have gotten a license key in a couple…

Because it establishes an exploitative precedent that shouldn't be followed. Because it hides the true cost of a project, which may result in poor decisions later on. Because the cost of a decision/process should fall on the person or company who has the ability to change it. Because using wages to pay for business expenses wasn't part of the employment agreement. Any one of these would suffice. For personal expenses…

> Because it establishes an exploitative precedent that shouldn't be followed.

It also allows small creators to survive.

I'm working on hybrid mobile apps again after a long break. The number of essential packages in both the Ionic/Capacitor/Cordova and React Native ecosystems that are "looking for maintainers" (think: camera functionality) and have long lists of issues is frankly astounding, given the number of users of said packages.

An expectation to pay so the maintainers can maintain is a good thing in my book.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Why, how often do you change tags after you've built a container and for what reason if so?

Digests cryptographically guarantee that you get the correct content, which prevents both malicious tampering (mitm, stolen credentials, etc) or accidental mutations. This is why "immutable tags" are a bad substitute and an oxymoron. There are also better caching properties when using content addressable identifiers. For example with kubernetes pull policies, using IfNotPresent and deploying by digest means you don't…

With a sha you shouldn’t have to change the pull policy. However there isn’t a need for always if you have the sha.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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> requires some juggling of licenses with associated turn-around times This! I've always said that a bit reason for FLOSS to win over the internet server-side is because scaling fast and juggling livenses is just too hard. Especially with the prying eyes of Oracle/MSFT/etc's powerful legal teams and hidden "phone home" code. Going with a LAMP stack was just to simplest way to keep moving at speed.

What would have happened if Microsoft had put some clause in volume licenses that said "you can use a system unlicensed for up to 30 days before paying for a license". Then engineering can spin up loads of instances to test stuff and scale fast with minimal hassle, and it'll be the purchasing team playing catchup later, no longer in the decisionmaking path.

For non-prod/qa/testing/dev stuff Microsoft provides MSDN/Visual Studio Subscriptions which provide specially licensed versions of their operating systems and software. Everyone who uses the MSDN software must have their own subscription and it can’t be used by real users/customers except in a limited dev/test capacity (e.g. UAT).

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with…

So you have a tool that your team use daily, but won’t pay a small license for it? I’m not sure I understand that logic. If the tool you have worked for you when it was free, it still works for you when you pay a small cost per month. Unless the cost is really that huge, I don’t see why that would be a reason to change.

Not only is he opposed to paying a license fee, he will contribute to the development of an entirely new, almost certainly worse, tool.

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Hey sorry about that, can you send me the ticket details justin @ docker.com and I can look into it.

So, like many companies, successful support consists of yelping at the appropriate public forum, be it Twitter or in this case, HN. Anything the public doesn't see: "due to unexpected call volume, you'll wait at least ten days before hearing from anyone". All the while the company forgets that the complaining customer isn't the only one reading. The rest of us are reading a live account of what company's customer sup…

Not really comparable to the problem with Google you're pointing to. Google's services are free, here we have tickets from paying customers.

I've never opened a ticket to Google as paying customer so I don't know for sure but unless someone comes and confirms that same crap is happening even if you pay we can't really compare those two cases and Docker is worse for simple reason that it demands payment yet ignores paying customers.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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The reason this move isn't popular is because it seemed like local docker development (for any size corporation) was always going to be free. If I personally had known this was in the cards I would have invested (time, money and effort) into alternatives earlier on. Instead they killed all the competition and are now demanding money. So yeah, this is the first move by Docker that has made me kind of mad at the compan…

> Instead they killed all the competition and are now demanding money. So yeah, this is the first move by Docker that has made me kind of mad at the company. Which alternatives did they kill? The Podman tool ecosystem is doing fine and is closing in on being a complete replacement, and Docker Swarm hasn't exactly killed k{number}s.

"k{number}s" means k8s, right? Is this a reference or something?

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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They won’t need to. The number of 250+ engineer businesses that would risk running unlicensed software is small.

well it is AND: "AND less than $10 million in revenue" basically most companies with ~50 people probably has 10 million in revenue (annually). considering wages and buildings and stuff you need for 50 people...

(In the US, not in developing countries)

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Doesn't work on M1 chips yet.

It's in "beta" right now but it works quite well (you can find the binary in the dedicated GitHub issue). Under the hood it just uses QEMU which in turn uses Apple's Hypervisor.framework for virtualization

I believe this is the issue referenced above: https://github.com/canonical/multipass/issues/1857
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