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New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by xyst »

abakker wrote: post #239
xyst wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loved the form factor of the 2015 MacBooks. It was perfect for college and I took it everywhere. It only lasted ~2 years before the mobo failed and it longer booted up. I think there was a known heating issue with these laptops.

That issue was actually recalled and given an extended service warranty period, I think. Otherwise, those 2015 ones responded well to being baked in the oven, if you still have yours.

I ended up buying a MBP and just recycled the MB through apples program.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by als0 »

cptskippy wrote: post #532
filoleg wrote: post #526

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The parent comment very clearly and explicitly described how one can work around that lockdown on iOS and iPadOS with MDM and Xcode or something like TestFlight functionality. They weren't talking about macOS, because you can run whatever you want on it after disabling a couple of toggles in the security settings once (just like on Windows10).

For most people, your argument is akin to saying "you too can go into space if you just start your own commercial space company".

It costs you nothing to sideload an app (other than time), but it costs money to make a company. Not a fitting analogy.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by als0 »

danShumway wrote: post #545
xvector wrote: post #499

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> They offer some additional security for the non-tech user (maybe? It's questionable) It’s not questionable at all, the App Store has been a cornerstone of the iOS security model for years. You can look at how many millions of Android users are constantly infected because it turns out that most people have zero concept of when to trust a third party or not. Either way Apple does let you run your own apps if you jump…

> It’s not questionable at all, the App Store has been a cornerstone of the iOS security model for years. It's pretty questionable. The most obvious reason iOS has better security than Android is because iOS has far better sandboxing than Android. I don't necessarily dismiss claims that moderation reduces malware, but I am at least skeptical of those claims. I haven't seen compelling statistics that moderation on the…

> More to the point, what we do know pretty conclusively is that app stores on their own are not a magic bullet. We can look at Windows, Chrome, and Android and see that app stores don't automatically improve security.

I've yet to see evidence that those stores actively review apps in the way that Apple does. You never see articles like "my app was rejected from the Chrome store". It's less about having a store and more about having a decent review process.

In any case, there are no silver bullets in security. Not one.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by pfranz »

saagarjha wrote: post #535
pfranz wrote: post #398

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This frustrated me to no end. I'm pretty sure the newest MacBook Pros have the exact same camera on my previous 2011 MacBook Pro (and likely earlier). I don't care all that much about resolution...just make the image quality better and work better in low light.

I believe the older MacBook Pro has an iSight camera, while the newer one has a FaceTime HD one.

So it's hard to find tech-specs, but iSight was branding between 2005 and 2010. The branding changed in 2011 and forward to "FaceTime HD." At that time resolution did get bumped up to 720p, but since a camera's quality can depend on many other things like lens and sensor noise I hate to say for sure but I'm pretty sure 2011 and 2019 laptops all have the same camera. After getting a newer gen MacBook Pro and being instantly disappointed I went back to my 2011 and saw very similar performance and image quality.

In 2017 they did start shipping a 1080p camera on iMac Pros, but that hasn't made it to portables.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISight#Built-in_iSight

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by ChuckMcM »

ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

I've got both the Surface Pro and an iPad Pro 10.5. They excel at different things but that is to be expected, they are converging on something else and that was unexpected. When I travel I bring both.

I am a heavy user of Cellular connectivity with my iPad Pro. It is my go to device on the road and while travelling, open it up and it just works. It runs a long time on a charge and it has apps that respond quickly for movies, reading, browsing, mapping, and note taking (all things I do while traveling).

The Surface Pro is where I do development (generally in WSL2 these days) once I've arrived somewhere that there is free WiFi and access to AC power. I will typically use it with a USB device or two as well (such as flash drives, wireless connections, and embedded development boards) Its ability to drive a couple of 2K screens and give me a "full up" developer experience is appreciated.

I sketch more on my iPad even though I like the drawing "feel" of the Surface Pro better. The SP feels "clunky" when I try to use it in tablet mode.

When I use them together its generally the iPad for reference materials and background music while I'm writing code on the SP.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by wlesieutre »

JadeNB wrote: post #537
wlesieutre wrote: post #405

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I haven't tried since I don't have a USB-C iPad yet, but I would expect that if they mount as a standard FAT filesystem that you should be able to just plug it in and copy the files. You wouldn't need a new camera, just an $8 cable like this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UUBS0SS Or if you want to use a card reader, you get one that plugs into a USB-C port and toss it in the bag with the iPad, just like you would…

> I haven't tried since I don't have a USB-C iPad yet, but I would expect that if they mount as a standard FAT filesystem that you should be able to just plug it in and copy the files. Does the iPad not support HFS+ and Apple File System?

It does, I mentioned FAT because that's probably what a camera's memory card uses.

It's pretty similar to Mac; I believe the supported systems are HFS+, APFS, FAT, and exFAT.

But NTFS is not supported at all (macOS can read but not write) and encrypted drives aren't supported (macOS supports read/write).

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Post by m0zg »

I wish they'd do something about battery discharge when off. I had an older model iPad, and it could be left alone for a week and it'd still have charge. Previous gen Pro is pretty much dead after a couple of days. I know it's not fully "off" when it's off, but come on, throw on some more lithium or something. At that price I shouldn't worry about charge when I'm about to get onto my stationary bike and would like to watch a movie.

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Post by cma »

megous wrote: post #53

> The LiDAR Scanner measures the distance to surrounding objects up to 5 meters away, works both indoors and outdoors, and operates at the photon level at nano-second speeds. Light travels 30cm in 1ns. That's not really a very exciting precision at 5m range. That's like 4bit resolution. Are there any specs aside from this marketing blabber?

Isn't it measuring round trip time though?

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Post by ogre_codes »

danShumway wrote: post #443
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

It makes a ton of sense if the iPad is cheaper than the Surface. It stops making sense because of Apple's pricing model. The original argument for tablet computers in the first place was that sometimes you don't need a full-fledged computer, so you pocket $400-500 and get something cheap instead that's a limited but still quality device. And I think that would still be true with the iPad Pro. You want something that'…

> Except... the pricing is awful.

Of all the product lines Apple has, the iPad is their product line with the most flexible pricing. Everything from the $250 base model up to the iPad Pro at $1000 ($1,350 with the keyboard). If you don't need the iPad Pro, there are three other models below that.

Even their highest priced iPads aren't very expensive. If you are a business buying a computer, it's less than one week's wages for the most expensive iPad.

> It's like they designed a product for a real niche

You have this almost exactly the opposite. The iPad is the mainstream product and the PC is the niche product. The overwhelming majority of people can do everything they need on the iPad. It's the niche users (Developers, Video Editors, etc) who require the additional flexibility a PC offers.

> you can get the new Macbook Air they just announced for basically the same exact cost as an iPad Pro + keyboard, and that comes with a full-featured OS.

Fundamentally, you get a MacBook (or Windows/ Linux) if you need the flexibility of having a desktop PC. A lot of people prefer the simplicity iPadOS offers.

Also, it's not just the most expensive iPad Pro versus the least expensive Mac. If you don't need the pencil or the nicer keyboard, you could get the iPad Air or the base iPad for significantly less.

> but you're getting a better OS on a computer with better specs.

You are confusing more flexible for better. The two operating systems target different purposes. For a lot of people the iPad OS is the better experience. Also, I haven't seen the benchmarks yet, but I suspect that like with the prior generation, this iPad Pro is significantly faster than the base MacBook Air.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by sbr464 »

greggh wrote: post #493
sbr464 wrote: post #415

It seems there is still no escape key. It’s super annoying to have to pick up your hand to touch the screen to escape out of random UI tasks. I haven’t found a hack or remapping ability like on macOS etc.

This is how you do an ESC key on iPadOS: Command + [

Have you tested recently? I’m familiar with a few of the key combinations that should work (by sending the replacement key for escape), but they haven’t been working.

Just tested and it doesn’t work (to confirm).

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