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New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by kevindong »

vlunkr wrote: post #422
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

Personally I see all iPads as an entertainment device that happens to be not too-terrible at doing productive work.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by lastres0rt »

vlunkr wrote: post #422
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

I'm an illustrator, and "Procreate" is the killer app for me.

If you're not calling that "real work" I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by greggh »

sbr464 wrote: post #415

It seems there is still no escape key. It’s super annoying to have to pick up your hand to touch the screen to escape out of random UI tasks. I haven’t found a hack or remapping ability like on macOS etc.

This is how you do an ESC key on iPadOS:

Command + [

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by egypturnash »

benayatei wrote: post #423
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

I love these two devices but really I don't know which one use Suitable for my job. Are you sure really Surface Pro is better?

The iPad only runs tablet apps, the Surface runs anything that works on Windows 10.

I came real close to ditching my Mac + Wacom combo for a Surface + external keyboard for my art work a couple years ago, but there was a constant lag problem somewhere between my stylus motions and Illustrator that made it unusable, even after a month of regular attempts to find the one magic setting somewhere deep in the ten different control panels related to Windows' stylus drivers.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by [deleted] »

dade_ wrote: post #377
0xff00ffee wrote: post #318

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> I didn't really see he benefit over dealing with Windows What possible nightmare bugs could macOS have that would lead you to this claim? I'm really curious. They'd have to be big ones because I've been developing on Lin/Win/Mac for 6 years and nothing comes close to the pain of developing on Windows.

The cat versions since Tiger were pretty much flawless upgrades and never had any issues. Then the mountains came, and upgrades never went as smoothly and problems would crop up. Display driver issues, Wifi would just disconnect, strange performance issues (I think caused by CPU throttling to keep the fan quiet), it was a while back. Then the display developed a bright yellow vertical line DURING the upgrade to Sierr…

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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by rs23296008n1 »

0xff00ffee wrote: post #421
jyrkesh wrote: post #388

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Developing on Windows or developing for Windows? My experience is that the former has significantly improved over the last couple years.

How does one develop for windows without develop on windows? cross compilation? [Even electronjs cannot cross compile (correctly).]

Cross compilation from linux targeting windows is possible. I'm only doing it for C++ but I'd assume others are doable.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by [deleted] »

babaganoosh89 wrote: post #442
acoard wrote: post #294

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VS Code has incredibly good "remote" debugging setups. [0] You can install a VS Code "server" on e.g. your Linux developer machine, then connect to it via your VS Code "client" on your iPad. You get local intellisense and the like, but actual execution of code is done on your Linux server. You can replace Linux server with Windows, or even containers (so you can have your "server" be a local Linux docker image if you…

It's more usable to use jump desktop and vnc into your desktop computer to use vs code.

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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by colinmhayes »

0xff00ffee wrote: post #318
dade_ wrote: post #281

I've already ordered one. I sold off the last of my Apple products a few years ago. Since then, the MacBook Pro has improved, but MacOS was getting so buggy that I didn't really see he benefit over dealing with Windows (also, I love WSL). iPhones with lightning connectors and no headphone jack offend me. So no thanks. Besides, have you tried the Xperia 5? But man I miss my iPad. My very expensive and high performance…

> I didn't really see he benefit over dealing with Windows What possible nightmare bugs could macOS have that would lead you to this claim? I'm really curious. They'd have to be big ones because I've been developing on Lin/Win/Mac for 6 years and nothing comes close to the pain of developing on Windows.

Developing on windows has gotten much better recently. VSCode is my favorite IDE, and with wsl its easy to hop onto bash when I want to. Now that its easy to mount onto wsl there isn't much more I'd ask for.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by xvector »

djsumdog wrote: post #480
cptskippy wrote: post #456

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It seems like they're slowly implementing paradigm safe versions of features from Desktop OSes into iPadOS in order to gradually bleed off the MacOS userbase since locking MacOS down to the App Store paradigm didn't pan out.

Which is why I hope this doesn't pan out either. I like desktop OSes and I like having major OSes that are not locked down by ridiculous app stores. Stop doing app stores. They work in Linux because they're open package repos, we can add our own tress/signatures in and can have a lot of control over them. App stores are bastardizations of this concept. They offer some additional security for the non-tech user (maybe?…

> They offer some additional security for the non-tech user (maybe? It's questionable)

It’s not questionable at all, the App Store has been a cornerstone of the iOS security model for years. You can look at how many millions of Android users are constantly infected because it turns out that most people have zero concept of when to trust a third party or not.

Either way Apple does let you run your own apps if you jump through some hoops with MDM and Xcode and whatnot. So it’s not completely locked down either.

It’s locked down enough that I feel comfortable that the average user would be secure and taken care of when using iOS.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by roenxi »

ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

I remember observing when the iPad first came out one of its big selling points was is was a few hundred dollars cheaper than everyone expected and it kneecapped the competition who all had offerings in the pipeline that were sorta similar, not Apple and cost more.

How times change.

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