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Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by president »

blaesus wrote: post #225

I am Chinese living in China. Nationalism is on the rise lately in China, not just for domestic reasons, but also as an reaction to nationalistic moves from "the West" like this one. It's a recurring theme, not just in governmental propaganda, but also in daily conversations, that "the West" would talk about fairness and justice then commit blatant discrimination and double standards. As a founder of a tech company b…

You say that nationalism in China is a reaction to nationalism in the US when it is actually the other way around. After many decades of realizing China has engaged in unfair trade practices, IP theft, and predatory behavior despite maintaining innocence, US finally has to react. If someone keeps punching you and spitting in your face, how do you think they'll react eventually?

I don't expect Chinese natives to understand the full story because they aren't exposed to all the wrongdoings of their government and even if they are, they think it's justified because they selfishly believe in supremacy of their own race/country. Even your comment suggests that you have been led to believe US is the "bully". I have heard all the arguments from the Chinese about 100 years of humiliation, Opium wars, and how US did X, Y, and Z "bad things" without ever pausing and stepping out of their own shoes to look at their actions in an unbiased way or learning the truth of the facts. I guess you can't have a meaningful argument when your only sources are your government textbooks and fire-walled internet. Think about that.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by eznoonze »

blaesus wrote: post #225

I am Chinese living in China. Nationalism is on the rise lately in China, not just for domestic reasons, but also as an reaction to nationalistic moves from "the West" like this one. It's a recurring theme, not just in governmental propaganda, but also in daily conversations, that "the West" would talk about fairness and justice then commit blatant discrimination and double standards. As a founder of a tech company b…

As a founder of a tech company based in China, you benefit from China blocking US (and the western world's) companies; You should be saddened by this. Can you please write a letter to Chairman Xi telling him he is wrong?

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by eznoonze »

whoevercares wrote: post #378
computerex wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nationalism has always been high in China ever since the CCP took control. Not being a nationalist would be a good way to suddenly disappear off the face of the Earth. China has always had double standards. They make it hell for U.S companies to do business there. The only thing that has changed is that the U.S has started pushing back somewhat as of late, but things are still currently in favor of China. When China…

Assuming you aren’t native Chinese or don’t have lots of friends in China, you don’t seem to understand what the parent said about nationalism rises. No China’s nationalism WAS NOT this high before, (the parade etc) you saw before is organized and it’s actually quite small considering the scale of China. Common people were normally cynical and only act patriotic at occasions where they really have to. Things are frea…

Nationalism in China is fueled by the Chinese media (i.e. the Chinese government) which control the message. The chinese government control the degree of nationalism in China like they turn the volume knob of a TV. They use it as weapon.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by president »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #382
munmaek wrote: post #377

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Are we? I’ve seen a reasonable discussion so far on policy and ethics. There will always be trolls. I never said anyone was completely superior. But in this specific case.. we are, because American citizens (and their families) don’t disappear for criticizing their government or for refusing to spy on other countries.

That's awfully cherrypicked if you're going to limit things to specifically political prisoners. We have LOTS more prisoners, btw, 4x as many per capita, with a nasty racial bias. And that's before you get into all the dead Arabs and Latinos who dared to have a government that wasn't freedomy enough for us. What's your exchange rate between those? Do you value the tiny number of people speaking out against the state'…

Where you're wrong is that while both countries have skeletons in their closets, only one of them is blatant, espouses and has no qualms about kidnapping/murdering/torturing their own people, and is many factors more evil despite us not even knowing the full extent of their actions due to the opaqueness of their government. Hint, it's China. Last time I heard, the US doesn't have a Nazi-era concentration camp in 2019 enslaving 2,000,000 minorities, harvesting their organs, torturing them, erasing their culture, desecrating their graves, and forcing the women to marry into Han families. The irony is that you can only make these ignorant attacks on America because there is freedom of speech in the US while in China, you'd be silenced the moment you hit send.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

mb_72 wrote: post #539
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #537

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> "... the tribunal rejected China’s argument that it enjoys historic rights over most of the South China Sea. " China doesn't recognize the tribunal's jurisdiction in this case, since China previously opted out of binding arbitration on territorial issues, as allowed by UNCLOS. > Only one of those countries has been building / extending artificially reefs / islands in this area. At the same time, the US has been con…

> "Freedom of navigation operations" is a propagandistic name given by the US Navy to very provocative military maneuvers in what China views as its territorial waters. The USA (and other countries, for example Australia) have been in international waters. How is navigating international waters 'propagandistic'? Your responses are exactly in line with Beijing's positions on things, and your tone is eerily consistent…

If they're not international waters, but rather the territorial waters of another country, then it's illegal. These are provocative maneuvers, meant to forcibly contest the territorial claims of another country.

> One can only speculate as to why that is.

Calling people shills is against the rules here. That's why you're not coming out and saying it, but rather trying to imply it.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by resouer »

proverbialbunny wrote: post #530
blaesus wrote: post #225

I am Chinese living in China. Nationalism is on the rise lately in China, not just for domestic reasons, but also as an reaction to nationalistic moves from "the West" like this one. It's a recurring theme, not just in governmental propaganda, but also in daily conversations, that "the West" would talk about fairness and justice then commit blatant discrimination and double standards. As a founder of a tech company b…

I've noticed nationalism rising in China lately too. It's easy to pay attention to difference between people and culture, as noticing difference is what we instinctively do, but it is also beneficial to notice our similarities too. We're all people. Besides minor cultural differences, we all respond in similar ways to the situations we are given throughout life. >As a founder of a tech company based in China, I benef…

here we go, another white man been brainwashed by western medias.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by Hackercloud »

This is reported in Gittalk (a high impact platform for Chinese IT workers). I admire the transparency. The issue can't be solved by a company alone. Practically there might be workaround but it's up to the employer..

Which clause of which act, or which executive order specifically prevent Gitlab from recruiting non-enemy state person?

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by Hackercloud »

Hackercloud wrote: post #557

This is reported in Gittalk (a high impact platform for Chinese IT workers). I admire the transparency. The issue can't be solved by a company alone. Practically there might be workaround but it's up to the employer.. Which clause of which act, or which executive order specifically prevent Gitlab from recruiting non-enemy state person?

This leads to discussion of using Chinese alternative other than Gitlab/GIthub, and the expansion would lead to more employment by Chinese code repository providers...

Everyone get what they want, in long term?

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Post by Joe_Harris »

anoncake wrote: post #296
jakobegger wrote: post #180

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I on the other hand think that splitting countries into allies and enemies is stupid. China is a huge country, and excluding a billion people from your company just because their government does questionable things sounds like a pretty bad idea. If you are really concerned about the confidentiality of your data, don't store it unencrypted in some SaaS where every customer service rep has full access to all your data.…

> China is a huge country, and excluding a billion people from your company just because their government does questionable things sounds like a pretty bad idea. People have to do what the state they live in and belong to orders them to do. That's part of the point of having a state. So if you can't trust a state you can't trust its people either. > you are really concerned about the confidentiality of your data, don…

> People have to do what the state they live in and belong to orders them to do. That's part of the point of having a state. So if you can't trust a state you can't trust its people either.

So, I could say that American is sucks if I think Trump is sucks?

That is ridiculous. The first is that 'state is unauthentic' is a subjective speculation. And the most funny is that the conclusion 'people is unauthentic' is came from your first thought.

I can not say American is terrorist if Hillary wanna burn other country. Am I right?

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by meursault1 »

Gitlab is investing hard on looking good in the press, but forgetting to fix their critical bugs. Their CI/CD feature is useless due to the bugs that are never fixed as they are not prioritized. One example is this 1-year old critical bug in CI/CD:

https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-runner/issues/4119 (Gitlab CI/CD jobs finishing midway with Success)

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