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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by loeg »

gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

I'm not defending the Macbook -- I can happily say I have not used a recent model one -- but for additional perspective on Dell laptop keyboards, I absolutely hate the keyboard on my 15"-16" Dell Precision provided by my employer. The keys are oddly far apart compared to a conventional desktop keyboard. I struggle to type with any accuracy on the builtin keyboard -- especially for things like entering my password, where mistakes are hidden.

Full disclosure: I am a Dell employee and obviously these views are my own and not that of Dell.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by hw »

Yet another with the horrendous Touchbar. Looks like I'll be holding on to my 2012 MBP for a while more. Maybe will look for a like new 2015 one if there are any still out there.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by fwip »

rayiner wrote: post #411
minikites wrote: post #359

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>The UI is totally schizoid Kinda like how iTunes was brushed metal forever while the Finder was Aqua and some apps roll their own UI to mimic Aqua? It's not like either Apple or Microsoft produce consistent applications, let alone the lack of control they have over third party developers. There is also Carbon vs. Cocoa, where different programs get different services "for free" from the operating system (e.g. spell…

Giving a couple of decade-old examples doesn’t show that Apple is “just as guilty.” Apple has two toolkits: Carbon, a legacy framework for transitioning from MacOS classic, and Cocoa. Microsoft has releases a new toolkit/look-and-feel basically every other year. (Win32, WPF, Metro, UWP, etc.) And unlike Carbon, which is depreciated, Win32 is in active use by new apps and keeps getting new features.

Win32: 1995 WPF: 2006 Metro (design language): ~2011 UWP: 2015

Win32 and WPF are both more than "decade-old," so really you're down to two. I'm not sure that 3 toolkits in 24 years is "every other year."

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by stephenr »

graeme wrote: post #546
stephenr wrote: post #516

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It’s not just you. I don’t get the whining about lack of USB type-a ports or the sd card slot and hdmi port. One, ONE $30 adapter gives you all of those and you have 3 TB3 ports still to use, AND it will read more memory card formats. Edit: AND it will have more USB-A ports than the old MBP had! I saw a manufacturer a while ago had a little magnetic adapter for a USB-c power port, too. Oh and the common complaint abo…

>One, ONE $30 adapter gives you all of those That's not how TB3 works though. Those cheap dongles don't necessarily pass through correctly, and this can lead to all manner of problems when you have sensitive equipment connected. Lots of reports of audio issues on USB C Macs when using external dongles, for example. The actual TB3 hubs cost $150 minimum iirc. This may not cause trouble in your own use case, but it's d…

> That's not how TB3 works though.

The USB/hdmi/memory card adapters for $30 aren’t TB3, they’re USB-C.

If you want “a lot of I/O” then going back to 2 usb3 ports isn’t going to help you.

A single TB3 port will handle the same external I/O the previous MBPs had across all ports barring TB2.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by ekianjo »

endymi0n wrote: post #111
gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

I can only come to the same conclusion. Typing this on a 2018 MacBook 15 inch, and it's a disaster. I still keep accidentally hitting the Touchbar ten times per day while typing (it's not a press-bar, duh), I need a dongle for _everything and their mother_, battery lifetime isn't good, the keyboard is prone to mistyping and double clicks, the screen doesn't get bright enough sometimes, I can't get any higher spec har…

If you purchase a Dell developer laptop or any Lenovo Thinkpad you dont have to worry about hardware support for Linux. Works out of the box.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by _t2kx »

badpun wrote: post #355
deaddodo wrote: post #263

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> I feel too old to compile my own kernel for a glitchy wifi driver, and Windows? Nah, get away... Linux hasn't had issues with the major wifi chipsets in ages. It's as plug and play as Mac and Windows are. There are plenty of reasons people might choose to avoid Linux, but drivers (outside of specialty, niche or obscure hardware) aren't really a reason anymore.

Linux on Macbooks is still crap though...

yeah no shit, apple only wants you to run macos on their hardware.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by jazoom »

dawnerd wrote: post #139
no1youknowz wrote: post #26

As someone who is desperately wanting to upgrade from a mid-2012. I say big deal. No better display like oled. Looks like the same keyboard to me. Oh the material has changed? Who cares, it's the same failing mechanism. More CPU eh? Means it'll just get hotter much quicker and there will be more throttling to be fixed via software. At this rate, for Apple to get my $$$ again they'll have to release a 16" [oled] macbo…

OLED is not a very good idea for a computer monitor currently with their pretty bad image retention. Go look at the iPhones at Best Buy. You can see they have pretty bad retention (unless your Best Buy is good and replaces the phones often).

I have never seen retention on my Pixel2XL. Not even a little bit. I used to see retention on my last OLED phone. Maybe we're getting close to OLED displays that are good enough? And yes, sometimes I have my phone on for a long time. And yes, there are static elements just like on a desktop.

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Post by FabHK »

liability wrote: post #452
FabHK wrote: post #410

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It most definitely did not use to be.

There were hints of it even back in the Apple II and Apple III era, both of which released with inadaquate cooling.

Interesting point. However, there was also the famous Steve quote where he was adamant that design is about function, and not about how pretty it looks.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by ekianjo »

Dunedan wrote: post #311
deaddodo wrote: post #263

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> I feel too old to compile my own kernel for a glitchy wifi driver, and Windows? Nah, get away... Linux hasn't had issues with the major wifi chipsets in ages. It's as plug and play as Mac and Windows are. There are plenty of reasons people might choose to avoid Linux, but drivers (outside of specialty, niche or obscure hardware) aren't really a reason anymore.

> Linux hasn't had issues with the major wifi chipsets in ages. … except (ironically) if you use Linux on a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar. In this case there are severe issues with the wifi firmware making wifi completely unusable: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux#wi-fi

I thought the whole point of this thread was to avoid using Macbooks so how is this relevant?
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