Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by Yhippa » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:36 PM UTC

m463 wrote: post #466

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Agreed that I wish they had embraced, extended, or extinguished the Touch Bar. A larger offset from the top row of physical keys, a physical escape key, some form of accidental touch elimination, and/or a taller display surface would all be useful changes. WRT to an external keyboard with it - in addition to making keyboards more expensive and proprietary, the Touch Bar is powered by the T2 chip, which is not just us…

I suspect it's probably hard to get the keyboard to straddle the touch bar, but I couldn't help think: Why not physical escape and power keys at the ends?

The lack of a physical escape key galls me the most.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by tinus_hn » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:36 PM UTC

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The articles make clear that only 3rd-gen replacements (the ones with last year's new membrane) will get today’s new keyboards. 1st and 2nd-gen customers are still stuck (no pun intended) with their original problem designs.

I just had the keyboard (really the entire top assembly) replaced on my 13" 2016 mbp, and I'm pretty sure it got the 4th gen keyboard. The keys feel and sound significantly different, and the Apple employee who did the replacement (or I think that's who I talked to) said that they were putting redesigned keyboards in for the replacements. I was pretty unhappy that I had to get this done and I'm still not in love with…

It could be that they don’t guarantee you get a new generation keyboard but you might. One would presume they quit manufacturing the old design.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:36 PM UTC

skierguy wrote: post #40

swozey wrote: post #14

These used to excite me because I've desperately needed 32gb and faster procs and used to upgrade every 2-3 years but now I just yawn at MBP releases. I'm so unexcited by everything about this form factor other than the fact that it has OSX. I'm guessing I'll be on my 2016 until I finally bite the bullet and quit using OSX if they don't make a more compelling package to spend my $3k on in the next few years. I don't…

I thought the same thing. Now I'm stuck with a $1500 Asus laptop that barely plays Netflix a year and a half later. despite an 7th gen i7 and 16gb of DDR4. Now I'm saving up for a Macbook Pro again, despite my hatred for the keyboard and touchbar.

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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by tpush » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:37 PM UTC

Scarbutt wrote: post #197

ericabiz wrote: post #51

We repair these as part of our business, and to be clear, both the keyboards and the screens are failing on these at an alarming rate. iFixit detailed the issues with the screens, which (in Apple's unending quest for "thinness") use a thinner flex cable to connect the display to the rest of the laptop. This thinner cable is prone to breakage, and we are already seeing 2016-2017 MacBook Pros in our shop regularly for…

The cheapest XPS 15" is more expensive than the cheapest MB 15". Are there any reliable ~$1000 laptops to host linux?

> The cheapest XPS 15" is more expensive than the cheapest MB 15".

... what? That's simply not true.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by icedchai » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:37 PM UTC

klodolph wrote: post #48

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I just want a MBP that is a late 2013 body with modern hardware inside it. I know there are many others like me.

Are you sure you wouldn't rather have the 2008-2012 body? It's a bit easier to upgrade or repair. (At work I have a 15" MBP with the 2013 body. I'm eligible for upgrading it, but what would I replace it with that could possibly be better? Literally the only downside that I care about is the fact that most conference rooms at work no longer have magsafes lying around.)

I preferred the 2007 body (the one before the chicklet keys.)

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Post by stephenr » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:37 PM UTC

dcosson wrote: post #485

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> Loss of MagSafe (this one still hurts). I will NEVER forgive them for this. Jobs was RIGHT when he said this was a major innovation over everyone else. Now Apple is either saying he was wrong or THEY are wrong. They're not BOTH right. My 2015 is the last MBP I will ever buy and it's aging fast... I think it's hackingtosh from here on out. I primarily use Ubuntu but I have to have a Mac as our app runs cross platfor…

I guess I'm the only one that thinks USB-C is actually better? The biggest win is that now I can use a single dongle for power, displayport to my monitor, and connection to a USB hub. So if I take my laptop home or into a meeting room, when I get back to my desk it's just a single thing to plug in now instead of 3+ separate cables. And since this stuff is all standardized now and there's no longer anything Apple prop…

It’s not just you.

I don’t get the whining about lack of USB type-a ports or the sd card slot and hdmi port. One, ONE $30 adapter gives you all of those and you have 3 TB3 ports still to use, AND it will read more memory card formats. Edit: AND it will have more USB-A ports than the old MBP had!

I saw a manufacturer a while ago had a little magnetic adapter for a USB-c power port, too.

Oh and the common complaint about flash drives - I bought one with type a one end, and type-c the other for about $12 I think.

The added functionality of TB3 far outweighs any of the small losses IMO.

Edit2: sd card not ssd card.

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Post by Mindwipe » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:37 PM UTC

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I have a 2016 MacBook Pro, and "luckily" the anti-glare coating failed. There is a free repair program for the screen appearing stained, and replacing the display panel replaced the integrated display ribbon cable that had also failed. I don't think dust is the cause of all the keyboard failures. I had been using it as a desktop computer for over a year. It isn't in a dusty room, and the computer still spends months…

> I don't think dust is the cause of all the keyboard failures. well, this is known to be the cause

Not really. It's a cause. But it's also fairly clear given there are key clusters that are more likely to fail that it's heat related sometimes too.

There's probably not a single cause. And indeed, some of the fixes are probably making some of the other issues worse (I would not be at all surprised if the dust membrane is exacerbating the heat issues, and that's why the issues with the MacBook Air are just as bad if not worse than the other machines).

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Post by eitland » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:38 PM UTC

fao_ wrote: post #464

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I like PopOS but that first link is terrible. It only reinforces the idea that PopOS is little more than a reskinned Ubuntu (which is not a bad thing!). The only non different default setting is the availability of a recovery partition, while the other features mentioned are basically just different defaults.

Exactly, so why do you not just use Ubuntu?

> Exactly, so why do you not just use Ubuntu?

For us who don't prefer Mac OS:

It copied way to much from Apple.

The alt-tab is in particular has been a usability disaster for some of us I think.

For a while I'd install Ubuntu and try from time to time but now I've given up on them.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by plasma » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:38 PM UTC

mikepurvis wrote: post #373

I'm a few weeks into an XPS 15 after a decade of Apple. I'm really liking it as well. I'm even running Windows 10, of all things— between WSL and native SSH + git and friends on powershell via Chocolatey, I'm finding it surprisingly comfortable. I think my main frustration is just that a few things about the trackpad aren't quite right. For example, I can't find a combination of settings under Windows which give the…

I’m really considering the switch to XPS also; I think their latest model moves the camera back to the top as well.

What about the track pad isn’t working? And do you notice any “coil whine” I’ve been reading about?

My other choice may be a Precision but haven’t read enough about it.

Thank you

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Post by js2 » Tue, May 21, 2019, 8:38 PM UTC

breck wrote: post #494

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I recently was forced to upgrade by 2015 laptop at work because the battery life was finally short enough that I couldn't stand it. I hate dongles. The 2015 Macbook will stand as their last best laptop. Nothing about the 2018 laptop is better, it's only worse. I don't understand why they don't see this. There should really be a huge multi-billion dollar class action lawsuit for their keyboards and fixability to wake…

I think the maxed out 2017 Air (before the retina display) is their best, if you're not doing much video or too much ML.

This is my personal laptop but the screen is really crap. My work laptop is a 2015 13” MBP. Work recently offered to upgrade me to a new MBP. I declined.