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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by continuational »

namaemuta wrote: post #521
_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

The problem is that the EU countries have a long history of fighting against each other and their cultural differences are too big to keep them together. There isn't the sentimental feeling of America in the EU, people don't feel themselves as European and since the current situation in EU is bad, the feeling of being independent has grown a lot.

You can feel European and (as in my case) Danish at the same time, and I do. It's not mutually exclusive.

I think the problem with EU is primarily one of communication. The member states should do more to inform the public of what is going on in the EU, and EU should do more to avoid negotiations behind closed doors (because how can you ever trust a process like that?).

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by danmaz74 »

rvanmil wrote: post #529
_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

I don't think an undemocratic government is required to achieve freedom of movement across the EU states. The problem however is that this is the only choice we have right now (and I sincerely hope the brexit will lead to a more democratic EU, instead of a collapse). Personally I think an undemocratic central government limits your freedom a lot more than any other benefits that might come from supporting such a gove…

The EU "central government" is made of the union of the governments of the constituent states of the EU. I'm absolutely in favor of directly electing a EU government instead of using the intergovernmental approach, but who will convince state governments to accept that?

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by [deleted] »

redthrowaway wrote: post #487
_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

The US did not magic itself into existence as a united state. It began in common purpose with a shared, very strong, external enemy. It then assigned itself a shared dream of settling the content. And, crucially, it already had a shared cultural identity, shared language, and shared religion when it began. The EU does not have a common enemy to force it together. It does not have a shared language, or culture, or ide…

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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by geff82 »

mariopt wrote: post #8

Does anyone knows how this will affect tech recruitment?

I heard from Adobe that they will close their headquarter near London and move to their main operation to the Paris office. The UK branch essentially becomes a sales office, nothing more.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by notahacker »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #215
tzs wrote: post #154

Considering what parts of the UK preferred to stay and which preferred to leave, I wonder if overall the way to give the most people what they want would have been to leave the UK in the EU but have England leave the UK.

The UK is basically England. All the decisions are made there. England wouldn't leave the UK as much as disbanding it.

And the part of the UK most strongly in favour of remaining in the EU was London, which is the part of England where the decisions get made...

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by MrLeftHand »

My gosh, loads of people commenting.

Hacker news is indulged in politics as we speak. It's a shame really.

But to add my views to the board...

Yes the EU wasn't perfect. I wouldn't call it undemocratic, or despotic, or communist, fascist, etc...

But it was start of something getting people together. Making Europe a whole.

Now the Brexit sparked other right wing parties in member countries to gain popularity. And we all can remember where far right nationalism leads to.

Remember Hitler being on the cover of Time magazine? Because I do.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by nicky0 »

christoph wrote: post #160
M2Ys4U wrote: post #9

I have never felt less British than I do right now. :(

Can I ask why? The public spoke in completely free and democratic manner, against everything so called "experts" said. I thought this was a staple of being British?

Can't speak for OP but I'm British born and lived here all my life. I'm a supporter of the UK remaining in the EU. I lived under a delusion that most of my fellow countrymen were at heart sensible and forward looking, even if they grumble sometimes. Now it turns out that 52% of them are in fact short-sighted, xenophobic idiots. If that is what being British is, than I don't feel British.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by return0 »

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

> because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU

That's not the only reason. UK is taking advantage of its position as a global financial hub in the EU. It's in the EUs interest to make the UK less attractive for foreign investment.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by _ph_ »

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

> Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world?

As of now, France is the 5th largest economy of the world. The Pound collapsing has already bumped the UK down.

Yes, eventually there will be a relatively free trade agreement in place. But still the UK will have to abide to any European regulation, if they want to trade. Just that they do no longer get a vote on those regulations.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by frankmcsherry »

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

> Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world?

Well, 6th now. Sorry about that. France said "bonjour" as you passed.

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