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UK votes to leave EU

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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by nikdaheratik »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #24
lossolo wrote: post #5

Unfortunately nationalism and populism won another war. Now watch Scotland make referendum to leave UK and after leaving they will join EU.

Is populism supposed to be bad? I just looked up the definition to make sure and it's basically the principle that ordinary people should have control over government rather than political insiders and wealthy elite. That sounds like democracy to me. Is there an aspect I'm missing?

It is just as bad as oligarchy if left unchecked. There is such a thing as a tyranny of the majority. Or if you want to just look at the politics, if you tick off the wealthy elite or make it too difficult to do business, you end up with less control over things that matter since you're either poor because all the business you ticked off went somewhere else, or basically a colony state as the important decisions are made elsewhere.

The only reason why it seems more "democratic" is because for most of human history, the wealthy elite had way to much power compared to everyone else.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by ido »

muse900 wrote: post #50
martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

I think that the EU will see the UK leave as a slap. So it will definitely slap back, especially Germany. I think with this result UK gave the ok to Germany to actually push UK's economy into a devaluation and then e.g Berlin can become the new London of Europe. I don't think the UK is going to get the same deal as Norway or Switzerland especially since the UK doesn't want to get involved in the free movement.

The financial center of Germany is Frankfurt, not Berlin.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by [deleted] »

cm2187 wrote: post #119
martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

Short term it is going to be bad for the UK. It will have to renegociate trade agreements, this will create lots of uncertainty which isn't good for the economy, and also lots of market volatility. Long term the EU is going nowhere, it is dominated by socialist countries that will go the way of Argentina, a slow but steady decline (well under way). And the migrant crisis, which is likely only at its beginning (look a…

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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by deanclatworthy »

tzs wrote: post #154

Considering what parts of the UK preferred to stay and which preferred to leave, I wonder if overall the way to give the most people what they want would have been to leave the UK in the EU but have England leave the UK.

The UK is basically England. All the decisions are made there. England wouldn't leave the UK as much as disbanding it.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by JohnTHaller »

arethuza wrote: post #199

I wonder if the EU will now say that Scotland can get membership if we vote for independence? Obviously they couldn't do that while the UK was in the EU, but now that the UK wants to leave and Scotland doesn't that view might well change. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-3659... NB On a personal note I am way more upset by this result than any other election or referendum I have voted in - even…

I'd wager Scotland will want to leave the UK and join the EU. But I'd also wager that the backdoor deals made during the exit negotiations will prevent that from happening.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by iainmerrick »

cpncrunch wrote: post #78

Please fix title. The article title is "EU referendum: BBC forecasts UK vote to leave". The count hasn't even finished yet, and it is still possible for the remain vote to win at the current time (albeit unlikely).

The current title of the actual article is "EU referendum: UK votes to leave in historic referendum".

It's still technically a forecast, but the BBC has called it and so has everybody else.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by stepanhruda »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #24
lossolo wrote: post #5

Unfortunately nationalism and populism won another war. Now watch Scotland make referendum to leave UK and after leaving they will join EU.

Is populism supposed to be bad? I just looked up the definition to make sure and it's basically the principle that ordinary people should have control over government rather than political insiders and wealthy elite. That sounds like democracy to me. Is there an aspect I'm missing?

When you describe it this way, it sounds great. In practice populists are frowned up because they end up telling people nice things they want to hear, but aren't true or are appealing to their more basic instincts.

Imo it goes down to what your message is - both Trump ans Sanders are populists.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by bbcbasic »

paradite wrote: post #90

A slightly meta discussion: I noticed that some "typical headline news" are gathering a lot of votes and getting to the top of front page. This seems to be working against the HN guidelines: If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. I know political news get some kind of penalties. Would that apply to a more generic headline news like this? Personally, I upvote stories like this purely because of its si…

Maybe this news is a bit special?

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by [deleted] »

sandworm101 wrote: post #38
thetmkay wrote: post #15

I voted today. I work in London at a startup with international markets. I believe in the ideal of free movement. I think the EU is a bit of a mess conceptually and mechanically, but in general a step forward for Europe. This is really the beginning of a very long, tedious and ultimately unsatisfying couple of years of dissatisfaction and instability as we negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world.

>>> ... as we negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world. HA! Negotiate. If Britain want to shoot itself in the foot and unsettle the world economy, it can do so on its own. The EU need not concede on anything. Why should they, given that Britain won't be a voting member in a couple years. If I were France I would start bricking up the chunnel tomorrow.

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