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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

yoz-y wrote: post #505
meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

The problem is that due to the ease these can be made there is also really no reason to make this social. “Why would I look at somebody else’s creations when I can do mine.”

I can see some usage for this use case - "look Morty, I turned myself into a pickle!" - but just like image / meme generators, this is like 10-30 seconds of engagement within a friend circle at best (although some might go viral, but that won't bring in much money for in this case OpenAI).

There will be (or is, I'm behind the times / not on the main social networks) an undercurrent or long tail of AI generated videos, the question is whether those get enough engagement for the creators to pay for the creation tool.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

teekert wrote: post #485
meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

Sounds like when we first had smartphones with orientation sensors and we could drink a beer from the phone, so cool... for 2 weeks.

I wouldn't be surprised that the beer apps cost less to develop than one AI generated video.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by sensanaty »

bibimsz wrote: post #65
MyFirstSass wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Software engineers have spent the last 40 years automating away other people's jobs. The discomfort only seems to start when the automation points inward.

Have they? I keep seeing this little snippet of wisdom being thrown about everywhere in these AI discussions as a gotcha, but to me it seems like moving jobs into dirt cheap 3rd world countries with slave labor is the biggest culprit for job loss than any kind of automation from software.

If anything software engineers have spawned in uncountable numbers of jobs that never would've existed before, is what my intuition tells me.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by KaiserPro »

echelon wrote: post #82
tantalor wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> look at US top videos on YouTube any given day I'd rather eat poison

We can have that discussion, or we can have the more interesting discussion of just how much big corporate intellectual property, franchises, and brands have their hooks in pop culture. Big IP is strong arming OpenAI, Suno, and all the rest. It'll be interesting to see whether creators at the bottom of the pyramid can effectively create new brands and IPs at a fast enough rate to displace the lack of being able to us…

> Big IP is strong arming OpenAI, Suno, and all the rest.

> It'll be interesting to see whether creators at the bottom of the pyramid can effectively create new brands

The problem is, to create a brand, you need to be able to protect it against rivals either ripping you off, or diluting it.

The same mechanism that protects "big" IP is also protect everyone else, even the small people.

> they'll go directly to Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and Reddit and force them to obtain licenses

They already do that for music. But the issue is this, if we want culture, we need to find a way to pay for it. Is it possible for a bunch of mates to make enough money to live on playing in a local band? not really. They can only really make money if they either have a viable local gigging scene, or large enough online following to sell merch/patreon.

The big IP merchants were quite keen for videogen, because they sense that its possible to cut out the expensive artists. If they can not pay actors, writers, artists, then its way more profitable for them. This is part of the reason why AI hasn't been hit with the napster ban hammer.

I think the other thing to remember is that creating good IP is hard, and you can't really just pull it out of your arse after 5 minutes. The original seed takes a long time to refine, test, evolve. Even the half arsed sequels require work.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by asim »

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and it's only natural for a lot of companies to overreach, but essentially reality and gravity are pulling them back. And as some other people have mentioned wall Street and others see that coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money and have a really profitable business and there are auxiliary functions. Driving addictive content is not really one that should be at the forefront and while many will continue to do that and we'll have all this generative content, I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content.

Over time we're probably going to see some really broad and strong use cases of AI, but I think in the case of social media or generative content, we have to be a lot more thoughtful about it. And I'm glad that they're shutting down this app as much as it's great to see innovation and technology and to see how far it's pushed. I prefer to see it when someone like Google does it? Because they're really doing it from the standpoint of this has broad applicable applications to something like simulation or training. Not whatever open AI was doing which honestly just doesn't feel very truthful. I feel like they say one thing and do something else or they say one thing and the agenda or something else. And again, I don't know how helpful it is to comment like this, but I feel like if you understand the truth then you should speak the truth even if it only benefits one other person to hear it.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by cpt_sobel »

bandrami wrote: post #521
pjc50 wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that's true for onlyfans, which seems to have been highly profitable until the sudden death of its founder.

Excellent point: I'm talking about pornography 1.0, as it were.

1.0 should be attributed to pornography _before_ online distribution, and I suspect that was pretty profitable

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by cpt_sobel »

platevoltage wrote: post #417
ionwake wrote: post #343

Man I find the HN crowd so cross and fickle sometimes. I think it’s just because when companies get bad rep it affects how people view the products? Im autistic and tend to focus on the tech SORA ( whatever that means) was one of the most astounding demos I’ve probably ever seen ( ChatGPT was more gradual ). The shock and awe of rendered AI video blew my mind. Yes months later everyone can do it and is bored by it an…

The iPhone X's new feature where it approximated you facial expressions on a 3D character using the facial recognition sensors blew my mind as well. It was a party trick. I can't remember the last time I touched it. That's what SORA is, or was.

Are these the Memojis or whatever Apple calls them these days? Pretty much eveyry iOS update mentions them near the top of the list and I still have no idea where to find / create / care about them...

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by cpt_sobel »

fraywing wrote: post #346

Seedance 2.0 is about to eat reap the market gap Sora creates. It's truly superior in every way. It felt like Sora was stunted by OpenAI for long, consistent video generation (not to mention the crazy red tape around what you could generate).

What market? I thought the whole point was that Sora at the end of the day couldn't find a way to generate revenue

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by 3form »

wraptile wrote: post #493
maplethorpe wrote: post #418

RIP to one of the most evil products I've seen come out of the tech industry in my lifetime.

Really? A video meme generator is making your top evil products list?

Very little potential to be used for good and quite some potential to be used for bad. I think the ratio is particularly damning, rather than the total evil.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Planktonne »

reverius42 wrote: post #540
UncleMeat wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People make revenge porn to humiliate people. Regular old porn can't achieve that goal.

If anyone can fake it, is revenge porn even effective? Doesn't making it easy for anyone to fake also make all of it plausibly deniable?

The answers to those questions have been clear for a while; it approaches concern trolling to keep on pretending to ask them in wide-eyed innocence.

Yes, revenge porn is very effective at causing harm, even though it can be generated.

No, because 'plausibly deniable' has never worked for social consequences and shame.

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