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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by tokenless »

bspammer wrote: post #194
tokenless wrote: post #33

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Openclaw! You can sandbox anything yourself. Use a VM. It has a web ui.

I don’t really understand the point of sandboxing if you’re going to give it access to all your accounts (which it needs to do anything useful). It reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1200/

Because you don't give it access to all your accounts, you choose what. And files on your PC may be private and you don't want to risk exposing them.

A use case may be for example give it access to your side project support email address, a test account on your site and web access.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by botusaurus »

mystifyingpoi wrote: post #478
Havoc wrote: post #461

Are people buying mac minis to run the models locally?

For a machine that must run 24/7 or at least most of the day, the next best alternative to a separate computer is a cheap Linux VPS. Most people don't want to fiddle with such setup, so they go for Mac Minis. Even the lower spec ones are good enough, and they consume little power when idle.

many websites block access from cloud ips - reason why openclaw creator recommended a local one

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by tokenless »

bjackman wrote: post #271
bspammer wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t really understand the point of sandboxing if you’re going to give it access to all your accounts (which it needs to do anything useful). It reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1200/

Yeah I have been planning to give it its own accounts on my self hosted services. I think the big challenge here is that I'd like my agent to be able to read my emails, but... Most of my accounts have Auth fallbacks via email :/ So really what I want is some sort of galaxy brained proxy where it can ask me for access to certain subsets of my inbox. No idea how to set that up though.

> So really what I want is some sort of galaxy brained proxy where it can ask me for access to certain subsets of my inbox. No idea how to set that up though.

Though of the same idea. You could run a proxy that IMAP downloads the emails and then filters and acts as IMAP server. SMTP could be done the same limited to certain email addresses. You could run an independent AI harmful detector just in case.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by polishdude20 »

simonw wrote: post #341
verdverm wrote: post #334

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I took the "running 24/7” to imply less AI writes code once and more to imply AI is available all the time for ad hoc requests. I tried to adjust back to the median with my third question. I find the idea of programming from my phone unappealing, do you ever put work down? Or do you have to be always on now, being a thought leader / influencer?

I do most of my programming from my phone now. I love it. I get to spend more time out in the world and not chained to my laptop. I can work in the garden with the chickens, or take the dog on a walk, or use public transport time productively while going to fun places. It's actually the writing of content for my blog that chains me to the laptop, because I won't let AI write for me. I do get a lot of drafts and the o…

What's your workflow?

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by [deleted] »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #276
mattlondon wrote: post #31

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I think for me it is an agent that runs on some schedule, checks some sort of inbox (or not) and does things based on that. Optionally it has all of your credentials for email, PayPal, whatever so that it can do things on your behalf. Basically cron-for-agents. Before we had to go prompt an agent to do something right now but this allows them to be async, with more of a YOLO-outlook on permissions to use your creds,…

I think this is absolute madness. I disabled most of Windows' scheduled tasks because I don't want automation messing up my system, and now I'm supposed to let LLM agents go wild on my data? That's just insane. Insanity. Edit: I mean, it's hard to believe that people who consider themselves as being tech savvy (as I assume most HN users do, I mean it's "Hacker" news) are fine with that sort of thing. What is a person…

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by Veen »

davedx wrote: post #380

I run a Discord where we've had a custom coded bot I created since before LLM's became useful. When they did, I integrated the bot into LLMs so you could ask it questions in free text form. I've gradually added AI-type features to this integration over time, like web search grounding once that was straightforward to do. The other day I finally found some time to give OpenClaw a go, and it went something like this: -…

> CME's website is very bot-hostile and blocked it after a few requests

This is one of the reasons people buy a Mac mini (or similar local machine). Those browser automation requests come from a residential IP and are less likely to be blocked.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by charcircuit »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #529
daxfohl wrote: post #460

I wonder how the internet would have been different if claws had existed beforehand. I keep thinking something simpler like Gopher (an early 90's web protocol) might have been sufficient / optimal, with little need to evolve into HTML or REST since the agents might be better able to navigate step-by-step menus and questionnaires, rather than RPCs meant to support GUIs and apps, especially for LLMs with smaller contex…

This is the future we need to make happen. I would love to subscribe to / pay for service that are just APIs. Then have my agent organize them how I want. Imagine youtube, gmail, hacker news, chase bank, whatsapp, the electric company all being just apis. You can interact how you want. The agent can display the content the way you choose. Incumbent companies will fight tooth and nail to avoid this future. Because it'…

Why wouldn't there be monopoly power? Popular API providers would still have a lot of power.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by cobertos »

mejutoco wrote: post #539
daxfohl wrote: post #460

I wonder how the internet would have been different if claws had existed beforehand. I keep thinking something simpler like Gopher (an early 90's web protocol) might have been sufficient / optimal, with little need to evolve into HTML or REST since the agents might be better able to navigate step-by-step menus and questionnaires, rather than RPCs meant to support GUIs and apps, especially for LLMs with smaller contex…

Any website could in theory provide api access. But websites do not want this in general: remember google search api? Agents will run into similar restrictions for some cases as apis. It is not a technical problem imo, but an incentives one.

Can you explain how Google Search API fits into your point? I don't know enough about it
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