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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by AniseAbyss »

rudhdb773b wrote: post #486
GreenWatermelon wrote: post #480

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Should it also be the Role of parents to prevent their children from being kidnapped by crime syndicates? Maybe we should also abolish schools because it should be the parent's role to educate their children. This individualistic line of thinking is downright insane. It's preposterous. We live in a fucking society, no one can do anything on their own. For God's sake parent's shouldn't be expected to fight alone again…

> No wonder the US is collapsing as we speak. If you look at the longterm trend in government intrusion into our personal lives, you'll see it's largely increasing, so if anything, the cause of any "collapse" would be the opposite of what you're purporting.

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by nephihaha »

mna_ wrote: post #445
nephihaha wrote: post #263

Australia, France, soon the UK... All within a few months and they have the chutzpah to suggest they came up with this notion independently.

Are they suggesting that they came up with this notion independently? I can't speak for other countries but UK politicians who are for this say they're monitoring the Australian ban closely to see if it works, so it's clear they're not claiming they came up with this notion independently.

What happens in every case is this political party or that party in each country takes the blame for it, and their opposition will pretend to be against it, when in fact it appears to be part of a bigger picture.

You're right that reactions are being monitored but this has clearly been discussed somewhere and appears fairly co-ordinated, much like the emergence of digital ID and AI chatbots. It seems to be a common pattern now... Smoking restrictions and car ownership seem to approached in a fairly similar manner across different countries.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by rstuart4133 »

Maybe they are just discussing it but even that leads to buy in, and right now buy in looks a little premature. In Australia this ban is viewed as an experiment - even by the politicians that championed it. My guess is it will take at least a year to figure out it if it is workable. Surely it would be prudent for Finland too let us wear the first mover pain before doing something themselves.

Speaking personally, I'd be much happier with it if they rolled out some zero knowledge proof of age infrastructure so the platforms could verify ages without all the PPI age identification currently requires flying around. It would remove a major criticism - government monitoring of consenting adults. Even if that aspect doesn't concern you in Australia had numerous leaks of identify documents in the past few years. Both my wife and I have had to replace our drivers licences due to leaks.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by Arainach »

direwolf20 wrote: post #535
Arainach wrote: post #442

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In the US, maybe. In Europe, not necessarily. The UK's OFCOM regulations are particularly concerning.

Europe is more bureaucratic. You have to register with the government to say you host user content and respond to abuse reports, and then respond to abuse reports, and you're shielded.

No, the reality is far worse - and prohibitively expensive in time and money to any individual as opposed to large corporation.

https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/401475/

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by palata »

bluescrn wrote: post #18
digiown wrote: post #11

I secretly wish it would use a verification scheme that's so invasive/annoying, that even adults would stop using it anyway.

IMHO the main point of these schemes is to make it hard for adults to use social media somewhat-anonyously. So the government can more easily identify those posting 'prohibited speech'. If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet, there'd have been more of a crackdown on porn, gore, etc long before social media became such a big problem. And smartphones would have never been allowed…

> IMHO the main point of these schemes is to make it hard for adults to use social media somewhat-anonyously. So the government can more easily identify those posting 'prohibited speech'.

We are talking about Finland here, right?

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by numeri »

nate_meurer wrote: post #268
tzs wrote: post #191

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The EU has been working on a zero knowledge system as part of the EU Digital Identity Wallet project for a few years now. It is currently undergoing large scale field tests in several countries with expected release late this year. All member states are required to provide at least one free secure interoperable implementation to their citizens, and regulated industries such as banks and telecoms, are required to acce…

Which of these governments do you trust? The same governments, mind you, that are working diligently to end anonymity on the Internet.

Introducing a solid zero-knowledge age verification option is the opposite direction of ending anonymity in the Internet, which other parts of the same governments are also working on.

So yeah, I'll gladly trust and cheer on the part working in the right direction.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by bobthepanda »

potatototoo99 wrote: post #277
bobthepanda wrote: post #102

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The introduction of body shaming media vs. actually improving obesity rates is pretty poorly correlated. Introducing anorexia, bulimia, and now bigorexia to a population is probably neutral or net negative. If it wasn’t, you would have expected those rates to decline after the introduction of media informing people.

I don't know, it works in Japan.

One out of 190+ countries would be a poor correlation indeed.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by dyauspitr »

Aurornis wrote: post #299
dyauspitr wrote: post #213

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These ID verification laws aren't simply designed to confirm that someone has access to an >= 18yo ID. They are identity verification to try to confirm that the person presenting the ID is the same person who is using the site. This makes no sense. This is exactly like asking someone older to buy you beer. Will there be rule breakers? Sure but they will be in the overwhelming minority.

> This makes no sense. This is exactly like asking someone older to buy you beer. No, the analogy would be a kid walking into the liquor store to order beer with their mom’s ID and the system allowing you to do it because the store operator isn’t allowed to look at their face or the name on the ID. > Will there be rule breakers? Sure but they will be in the overwhelming minority. Some of you have forgotten what it’s…

>No, the analogy would be a kid walking into the liquor store to order beer with their mom’s ID and the system allowing you to do it because the store operator isn’t allowed to look at their face or the name on the ID.

The difference here is meaningless. Mom’s ID in this case is her personal password which is a lot harder to get. I would bet 99.9% of folks don’t know their parent’s email password.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by t-3 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #426
t-3 wrote: post #282

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Karma and thread-ranking are adaptations that directly increase addictiveness while doing little else...

thread ranking is useful and doesn't increase addictiveness I do agree that karma increases addictiveness and adds little value; I can see it being useful for certain permissions (so new accounts can't do thinks like downvoting), but it could just not be visible to the user; then there's no motivation to "increase my karma"

> thread ranking is useful and doesn't increase addictiveness

Can you please elaborate on what you find useful about thread-ranking? It's an anti-feature that only serves to increase addictiveness (by making top-level comments into a competition) and make it impossible to reload an active discussion and find your place again, in my opinion.

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