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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

jansper39 wrote: post #400
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #272

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Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

> US: "We will invade greenland" EU: "omg we need to invest in greenland and increase its military support, we will send more troops immediately!" > US: "we will pull out of nato" EU: "omg we hate US we need to massively increase military spending and industry" It's in both the EU and the US's interest to ensure NATO is the strongest partnership possible and the US's actions over the last few weeks have undermined it…

The EU's actions over the last 30 years have undermined it almost perfectly.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by johnsmith1840 »

schubidubiduba wrote: post #435
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #363

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The whole point is the USA has been complaining that the EU was/is reducing itself to a vassal. No matter what the USA said or did before they didn't seem to care that they had no power anymore because the USA was there to take care of them. The EU can't realign itself with China because that would destroy the last fragile bits of the EU economy that are left. They are already having issues with the excess supply lan…

No. The US wants the EU to be a vassal, this should be obvious. Why would they want an EU that is more capable of acting against US interests? The US wants EU to be a vassal, but got tired of paying the protection money for that. Now they are trying, and failing, to keep the EU under their control despite bringing less to the table every day.

Or more obviously the US views China as an existential threat that is about to pop.

US has numerous public docs stating China is prepping for war and has WW2 levels of production. US knows it will be out manufactured in this conflict.

So the US needs:

1. Fully focus on China without distractions. 2. Allies able to handle their own security or help in the fight. 3. Weaken the smaller axis forces as much as possible now before the big event occurs.

Through this lens it alls lines up pretty nicely. Every single world event including US poking europe all work towards these goals.

As of now:

1. EU is finally spending on spending 2. Nato has expanded (sweden) 3. Russia is weakened 4. Iran is weakened 5. Oil production is secure (venuzuela, US internal, middle east) 6. East asia is also spending more on military and heavily aligning with the west (more bases in phillipines)

To me this is going about as smoothly as anyone would expect the buildup to WW3 would go. And it's all going pretty well for western forces. The west is now stronger than it has ever been and getting stronger and the axis forces are all weaker and getting weaker.

Words matter much less than action.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

oblio wrote: post #287
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

> US: "stop killing innovation" EU: " more regulation" Have you ever stopped to think that maybe a large number of Europeans look at the lack of US regulation with disgust?

And a few innovative Europeans look on EU regulation with disgust and leave, taking their companies with them.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by usr1106 »

ecshafer wrote: post #479
schubidubiduba wrote: post #433

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Honestly so often I take my EU consumer and worker rights for granted, only to hear that they simply don't exist for 90+% of Americans. Amd then I wonder how they even live over there.

In large houses with lots of land, multiple cars and lots of money.

Unfortunately they made the mistake to ban slavery /s

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by johnsmith1840 »

alopha wrote: post #286
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #272

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Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

Something tells me when the 'something' is a major trade deal with China suddenly it'll be 'oh my god how could you'. The US wants a EU vassal, what they're going to get is an EU that realigned itself to be politically and economically equidistant from the US and China.

EU aligning heavily with China is a fantasy.

You really think EU is going to ally with China over japan, south korea, philipines, and Australia?

You really think Russia's current number 1 ally is all of a sudden going to be best friends with EU?

China and North korea are ACTIVELY supporting a war in Europe! China has openly threatened Australia. There are literal north korean troops shooting Europeans right now. Who is north korea's number 1 supporter?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by johnsmith1840 »

bad_haircut72 wrote: post #308
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

If this is some kind of move, fair play, but its ham fisted because rank and file westerners across the world have lost respect and faith in America, that wont be rebuilt by some other president. Nobody will want fighter jets etc controlled by America. Perhaps USA is fine with it but to me it feels severely damaging.

Twitter can think what it wants.

The western alliance as of today is about as strong as its ever been. They are actively dismantling and destroying their enemies together one by one.

Words matter little when US's alternative is actively supporting a war in europe.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by surgical_fire »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #439
surgical_fire wrote: post #366

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Probably there are plenty of regulations related to safety and suitability regarding electricity, water, washing residue on dishes, etc. Without being more specific, the only thing I can presume is that you were unwilling to follow regulations here. I furnished and equipped my home a couple of years ago, and I had plenty of options for dishwashers, from multiple brands. Many different models at varied price points. T…

Yep, small biz can't compete with big business. And to clarify, if there was a single regulatory body, it would be fine. I just didn't want to deal with each country. Probably a shame since it was totally safe. Too much regulation causes your costs to go up and features to go down. I don't blame your attitude here. If you can't get something, you want to come up with something that makes you feel better.

> I just didn't want to deal with each country.

Yes, the EU is not a country. Each country has their own government, with regulations of their own.

I am in favor of some sort lf EU federalization for this reason, there's a lot of redundancy.

On the other hand, you could just choose a country to operate, which is a normal thing to do. There are things I could find, for example, in France that I cannot find in the country where I live

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

202508042147 wrote: post #300
omnimus wrote: post #92

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They are fine. Cloud is a commodity. Hetzner and Bunny are pretty great and i am sure there are many more. The problem is when US decides to ban sales of compute hardware to EU (like they do to China). Then it will be clear who's really in power.

Well, then the EU can also ban the sale of ASML machines to US and anyone dealing with the US. Let's hope we won't get to that.

The US actually controls the distribution of those machines already, because they incorporate made-in-USA export controlled technology.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by jshen »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #249
jshen wrote: post #233

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It's not clear that anything will be kneecapped. You need more than a desire to not use these products, you also need a viable alternative. Using products from China or Russia probably isn't deemed viable if the concern is politics, which leads to a need for Europe or Canada to build alternatives. They have not been good at this for a long time, maybe that will change, but it's not clear that it will.

India. Today India invited President of EU commission on its republic day & I feel like there are discussions on signing free trade agreement. I was in my car watching it live when I recognized the President of EU commissioner and I was like hey!! I feel like friendly relations of EU and India are definitely on the rise & I have said this previously as well and talked to my other cousins/family who works in Coding an…

Good call out, India is likely the most viable option.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by jshen »

tensor wrote: post #426
jshen wrote: post #233

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It's not clear that anything will be kneecapped. You need more than a desire to not use these products, you also need a viable alternative. Using products from China or Russia probably isn't deemed viable if the concern is politics, which leads to a need for Europe or Canada to build alternatives. They have not been good at this for a long time, maybe that will change, but it's not clear that it will.

There are plenty of viable alternatives. Perhaps not all are as polished as some of the mainstay US companies, but the funtionality is there. It's no surprise that people in the US are ignorant of the existence of the many excellent EU software companies and services.

Then why aren't Europeans using them?
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