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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by hersko »

HappyPanacea wrote: post #337
tirant wrote: post #285

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I share your opinion. There's nothing worse than a State killing its own citizens, the ones the state had pledged to protect. But actually, the largest mass killings in history have been always performed by States against their own citizens and not by enemy states: - Great Chinese Famine (CCP): 20-30 million dead. - Holocaust (NSP): 6 million - Holodomor (USSR): 3-5 million - Congo mass killings (Colonial Regime + Pr…

> Holocaust (NSP): 6 million Most dead Jews were not German citizens and neither were the Poles who died.

They were citizens of countries the Nazis conquered.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by mrguyorama »

logicchains wrote: post #453
TacticalCoder wrote: post #366

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> Meaning, the people should be able to defend themselves against the violence directed to them. Yes. But not just and not mainly from your government: you are way more likely to get killed by criminals and/or terrorists then by law enforcement officers. To put things in perspectice in the US there are more than 20 000 homicides per year. And for women rape and rape attempts are scary, here are the numbers for the UK…

>Yes. But not just and not mainly from your government: you are way more likely to get killed by criminals and/or terrorists then by law enforcement officers. That's not true globally; in the 20th century governments in Russia, Germany, China and Cambodia collectively killed over a hundred million of their own people. >it makes them vulnerables to criminals and terrorists too. Which, so far in the western world, is d…

How many poles died?

They had a literal military. This absurdist belief that something like the 2nd amendment would have ANY impact is literal propaganda.

Find me an oppressive government overthrown with private firearm ownership.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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throwforthings wrote: post #447
rayiner wrote: post #330

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> It’s as if someone’s says, since Bangladesh is predominantly muslim, the majority aligns with what the Islamic regime does for ideological reasons and would try to undermine the account of atrocities That’s true. Bangladeshi people strongly supported amending the constitution to make Islam the official religion. Islamization of the country has accelerated since we left, and now it looks like the Islamist parties wi…

My spouse (Bangladeshi) and I (not) went to a rally in Jackson Heights when the first protests were going on and we were surprised by how pro-Islamist the crowd leaned, from their signs and chants. We jumped on video with my in-laws at one point and they were even like "oh no you guys should leave, these young people are Islamists". It seems to be true across the Muslim world. My father is from North Africa, and any…

I have family around Jackson Heights and one is reposting stuff from Jamaat-e-Islami (the main Islamist party) on FB.

It’s very odd. I saw lots of younger Bangladeshis supporting the overthrow of the Awami League government (the most secular of the parties). I wasn’t sure if it was people who just didn’t realize it would leave a vacuum for Islamists, or or people who wanted that. It seems there’s some of both.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by dartharva »

dyauspitr wrote: post #213
sourcegrift wrote: post #51

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Actually, if anything, that makes it trustworthy because Saudi would like the regime to stay so that they can stay out of the oil markets and keep the prices high.

It’s Shia Sunni, it transgresses economics.

Nothing ever transgresses economics.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by hersko »

Maken wrote: post #540
Invictus0 wrote: post #523

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The NYT's top story is still focused on the killing of a single protestor in Minneapolis. They aren't highlighting Iran because a massacre of this scale will be seen as justifying Trump's imminent strike on Iran, and leftists are gearing up to protest that, just as they did the Maduro operation

You seem to imply that bombing Iran to the ground is a good outcome.

> bombing Iran to the ground

In what world is that happening? Specific strikes against the regime is vastly different that carpet bombing the country.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by starik36 »

noah_buddy wrote: post #426
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

You are talking about US.

UK doesn't fund Israel, yet they've had most demonstrations there - still do. Clearly it isn't about the violence (whether in Iran or Israel). It's about Israel.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by breppp »

midlander wrote: post #427
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #412

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No amount of warning will save children from starving if the access roads and relief convoys are blocked. I'm quite frankly quite appalled at the amount of apologists in this thread. Warning civilians is not an excuse to genocide them.

I’m appalled at the lack of balanced comments in here. Acknowledging the humanity of the people on both sides. That both deserve to live in peace. That both have suffered deaths and injuries from the other side. That both can claim the other side has committed war crimes. Demonizing one side is neither rational, moral, nor conducive to resolving the situation.

don't be surprised, the Israeli Palestine conflict is team sports for people worldwide from social-economic background where football or soccer is considered banal

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Post by throw310822 »

hersko wrote: post #530
throw310822 wrote: post #369

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> we could say that Iran is being starved as well, but we can't blame Israel for everything Funny that you say that, because the reason Iran is under sanctions is that Israel wanted it. Obama had agreed to a lift on the sanctions in exchange for a strict control on Iran's nuclear program; Trump and his cohort of rabid zionists remote controlled from Tel Aviv reneged on the agreement and restored the sanctions.

Everything that happens it the world is because Israel was secretly behind it. Right?

It's not a secret at all:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/09/1021192

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu%27s_2015_ad...

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