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Post by 1718627440 »

eviks wrote: post #138
1718627440 wrote: post #84

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They are still the only browser I know, which has actual useful chrome like changing the stylesheet, is CUA compliant and behaves and feel like a native GTK+ app (now-a-days only after restoring the OS window bar and enabling the menubar). They also have useful keyboard behaviour and provide both a search and a URL bar, which makes it effortless to search locally and perform additional refinery searches while hunting…

> They also have useful keyboard behaviour Like not being able to change the default shortcuts?

> Like not being able to change the default shortcuts?

Sure, I would also love if Firefox would work like Emacs or some configurable KDE program, but at least I can access most things without needing to touch a mouse and bulk operation actually work unlike Thunderbird where they basically broke the whole UI a few years back and haven't fixed it since.

Do you know another browser that supports somewhat up-to-date non-Chrome-specific Web features and is better on the features I listed?

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by pseudalopex »

Teever wrote: post #535
glenstein wrote: post #512

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>So if you have a billion in the bank, I just want to note that this is what is sometimes called carouseling. Which is, instead of acknowledging the original accusation was not correct, which is what should be happening, this comment just proceeds right on to the next accusation. What is happening, psychologically speaking, that is causing a mass of people to spew one confidently wrong accusation after another? They…

> "...if they had seen Mozilla making the financial moves that would have made it an independent and self-sufficient entity." Does their endowment fund enable them to be an independent and self-sufficient entity? In other words, Can they live off it in perpetuity?

The question is if their endowment can fund a competitive independent web browser in perpetuity. Looking at other web browsers suggests no.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by glenstein »

Teever wrote: post #535
glenstein wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So if you have a billion in the bank, I just want to note that this is what is sometimes called carouseling. Which is, instead of acknowledging the original accusation was not correct, which is what should be happening, this comment just proceeds right on to the next accusation. What is happening, psychologically speaking, that is causing a mass of people to spew one confidently wrong accusation after another? They…

> "...if they had seen Mozilla making the financial moves that would have made it an independent and self-sufficient entity." Does their endowment fund enable them to be an independent and self-sufficient entity? In other words, Can they live off it in perpetuity?

Let's start with the acknowledgement of carouseling.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by gsich »

pseudalopex wrote: post #408
shevy-java wrote: post #398

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Ladybird had fewer devs, so what were these devs at Vivaldi doing? I don't think your argument has a lot of merit. 28 is not a magic number.

> Ladybird had fewer devs, so what were these devs at Vivaldi doing? The Ladybird developers have not produced a browser comparable to Firefox or Vivaldi. Vivaldi have not produced a browser engine comparable to Ladybird of course. > I don't think your argument has a lot of merit. 28 is not a magic number. 28 is a magic number was not a reasonable interpretation of my comment.

Yet.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by Teever »

glenstein wrote: post #543
Teever wrote: post #535

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> "...if they had seen Mozilla making the financial moves that would have made it an independent and self-sufficient entity." Does their endowment fund enable them to be an independent and self-sufficient entity? In other words, Can they live off it in perpetuity?

Let's start with the acknowledgement of carouseling.

I don't understand how what you're accusing me of pertains to anything I've written here today.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by jorvi »

criddell wrote: post #515
jorvi wrote: post #261

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Google Translation never "became very good" and it still isn't when you compare it to DeepL or Kagi. Where it excels is quantity. Often, niche languages are only available on Google Translate.

Google Translate became very good compared to what came before it. Other stuff is better now and one day we will say the tools of today are trash.

No, even when they switched to machine learning their translations still made mistakes that would have made you look goofy. And even today their models still make mistakes that are just weird.

It is especially baffling because Google has much better data sets and much more compute than their competitors.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by slau »

CarbonJ wrote: post #467
e584 wrote: post #388

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The best that Mozilla can do for AI is to make Firefox more headless and scriptable.

What would you like to see from Firefox to make it more headless and scriptable? Are there specific usecases you're interested in supporting?

I'd love to be able to modify JS at runtime on random websites. Too often there's a bug, or a "feature" that prevents me from using a service, that I could fix by removing an event or something in the JS code.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by mmooss »

the_biot wrote: post #360
gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

You're assuming Mozilla would be successful at a privacy play because they are a trusted organization. I can't stress this enough: they are not.

What is that based on?

You can trust your doctor much more about your knee and much less about their billing. Trust isn't binary and isn't per person/organization/object, but varies by person and (activity?).

And anything will be trusted more or less by different people. Is there evidence of who trusts Mozilla with what, and how much? The the fact that you don't trust them or that some on HN don't trust them isn't evidence.

Also, each of us is both commentator and agent. When we say 'I trust X' or 'I don't trust X', we both communicate our thoughts and change others' thoughts.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by mmooss »

macspoofing wrote: post #419
gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

> What Mozilla is good at ... Firefox - the one thing they do not want to work on is the only thing that makes them special.

I assume they work on Firefox 10x more than anything else. Is there data?

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by pseudalopex »

gsich wrote: post #544
pseudalopex wrote: post #408

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> Ladybird had fewer devs, so what were these devs at Vivaldi doing? The Ladybird developers have not produced a browser comparable to Firefox or Vivaldi. Vivaldi have not produced a browser engine comparable to Ladybird of course. > I don't think your argument has a lot of merit. 28 is not a magic number. 28 is a magic number was not a reasonable interpretation of my comment.

Yet.

Yes. This discussion is now. Not in a future which may not arrive.
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