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Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Post by mjh2539 »

FeteCommuniste wrote: post #364
mjh2539 wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically, in the West at least, the ability or inability to reason one's way to the existence of God determined whether you needed to rely on faith or not. https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/docum...

Nice, paragraph 5 and he's already into "evolution is fiction and commies love it."

You didn't read closely enough. He is condemning the notion that evolution explains the origin of all things (as ridiculous as that sounds...it was a kind of ontological darwinism; no reasonable person holds this opinion today).

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #510
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #353

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Would be fun if we find a function f(state, time) such that for f(singularity, 14 billion years) we get our current universe. i.e.: every singularity turns into our exact universe.

Implying there’s no such thing as randomness, at any level?

No randomness when taking everything into account. I’m not an expert but I still hold out hope that if you know more about the universe than humanity does everything will be known to be deterministic.

Also implies that all singularities of the same mass are identical. I think this should be less bold of a statement. Let’s speculate that the more mass in the singularity would correspond to higher iterations in something like the Mandelbrot set. More of a resolution enhancement.

More if a scifi prompt than anything else to be fair.

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Post by skeaker »

mikrl wrote: post #390
layer8 wrote: post #321

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Maybe the larger universe is identical to the contained universe, like a fractal. That would solve the question. ;)

Then we gotta find the black hole in our universe that contains that universe, and nuke it before they come to take our fluids!

Might not be the best idea, unless we just so happen to be all the way at the top of the sequence[1]...

1 - https://qntm.org/responsibility

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Post by jandrese »

NL807 wrote: post #335
4ndrewl wrote: post #218

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Can you cite your sources please?

Sabine Hossenfelder has a few comments on this topic in her YT channel.

Sabine is an asshole. Doesn't mean she is wrong, and I appreciate when she reads some paper that has made a bunch of headlines to figure out if they're full of crap or not (spoiler alert: the answer is usually yes), but while she can identify the problem she's not part of the solution. Her divorce from academia means she has little power to affect change for the better given how the incentives are currently aligned. She can make a lot of noise, but the people actually pulling the levers have rigged the system in their favor enough to not care.

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Post by joshdavham »

downboots wrote: post #376
layer8 wrote: post #321

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Maybe the larger universe is identical to the contained universe, like a fractal. That would solve the question. ;)

Might I suggest Brouwer's theorem while we figure it out

Could you elaborate? It's been a while since I've done any real analysis/etc.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Post by joshdavham »

Would it possibly make sense for a black hole in our universe to lead to a higher level "parent" universe? Or would any black hole universe contained within our own universe necessarily lead to a lower level "child" universe? Basically, I'm wondering if there's a way (within the constraints of this model) to access the parent universe.

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Post by torial »

carbocation wrote: post #24

I think it's neat that this summary is written by an author of the scientific manuscript. Oversimplification is a risk, but this approach eliminates the possibility that the writer did not understand the underlying science.

There used to be a common practice of scientists writing summaries of their research for lay people. I think they viewed it as their civic duty. I had a collection called the World of Physics which included essays written by various scientists. I originally had it in the 90s and found it again after many decades. Would highly recommend.

https://www.amazon.com/World-Physics-Library-Literature-Anti...

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Post by nathan_compton »

hshshshshsh wrote: post #246
nathan_compton wrote: post #226

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On the other hand, there are a lot of stars and different cultures might give them different names and yet there really are many of them. Furthermore, assume God doesn't exist. Lots of cultures might invent god for various reasons and they'd naturally have different names and attributes for them, which in fact seems to be the current state of affairs. In fact, if we assume God exists and is actively in communication…

Why do you think God will have a name? Name is used by humans to identity a person among a lot of other persons. Why will God have a name if it is the only thing in existence? To answer the question of why humans give name to God. It's to make god more relatable so that they can workshop it. And use devotion to come closer with it. Look up Bhakti Yoga.

I didn't say he'd have a name, I said he'd give humans a uniform one since, according to, for instance, the Christian worldview he is purported to be interested in human affairs.

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Post by nathan_compton »

hshshshshsh wrote: post #224
nathan_compton wrote: post #220

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I don't see how this is. It seems eminently reasonable that observation can simply be performed by sub-omnipotent beings.

Life is one omnipotent being. It's just ego, thoughts and social identity that creates the illusion of multiple beings. But ego and names are made up. Separation just thoughts. The more life believes in thoughts it becomes divided. But the waves and ocean are one.

I don't get it. Put all life together and its all pretty obviously NOT omnipotent as far as I can tell. Every living thing on earth could spontaneously have an desire about the state affairs on Pluto and I don't see any reason to believe anything on Pluto would change.
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