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For a supposedly intellectual site that I clearly am at best in the middle tier of intellectual ability, this place is shockingly passive and accepting of the converging futures of authoritarian AI and the marked collapse of political discourse, if not rule of law. Maybe I'm just a dumb one that speaks up, everyone else has gone dark forest.

Never stop speaking out, and if they come for you do not go peacefully. That's about all an individual in an authoritarian society can control.

That’s the truth, if we remain silent we will be targeted eventually. I am extremely disappointed by the lack of tech colleagues calling this out. I took an oath of ethics to do no harm and I see many people willing to use technology to find and silence critics of the government.

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Indeed. The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked. Of course, this means that the reporting isn't very good at addressing its blind spots–i.e., most of the news in the country, let alone the world, that isn't relevant to the ivy league coastal elites. An…

The NYT's Executive Editor Joe Kahn is the son of a billionaire who was on the board of lobby group CAMERA, a group devoted to pressuring US media to be more pro-Israel.

Just rumors and conspiracy theories.

Where can we see evidence of what you claim?

What do you claim Kahn has done? Do you have evidence? The NY Times regulary publishes news critical of Israel.

Children and parents, siblings, etc. disagree, sometimes extremely, regularly. Children and parents disagreeing is one of the most common stories in humanity. Should Joe resign because of dad's activities?

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> As in that seems like there isn't a "large number". --- > “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately afte…

Poignant quote. Should we as a society accept students who are calling for violence and intifada on Israel or Jewish people in general? If anything some of those pro-Palestinian protests were more reminiscent of the 1933 “German Firm” boycotts the quote mentions than not: > A boycott sign posted on the display window of a Jewish-owned business reads: "Germans defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda. Buy…

It’s hardly an equal fight, Gaza is an occupied and colonized territory that has limited ability for resistance. We wouldn’t be having this same discussion about South Africa overthrowing their apartheid.

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Indeed. The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked. Of course, this means that the reporting isn't very good at addressing its blind spots–i.e., most of the news in the country, let alone the world, that isn't relevant to the ivy league coastal elites. An…

More importantly, these newsrooms are run by people who get their money from the same places. How much are they going to tolerate narratives that go against their financial interests?

Just endless conspiracies. Which newsroom leaders get their money from what places? Why do leaders in government and business hate journalists so much and invest so much in discrediting them?

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You're right, attacking civilians is bad. So what does it say about a nation when it kills at least fifty thousand? ( https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... )

Again, you are not differentiating between targeting and collateral damage. Hamas broke a ceasefire and targeted civilians. Israel went in to destroy Hamas with the unfortunate result of civilians dying as collateral damage. When you say 50k, there are several problems. For starters you are quoting the Gaza Health Ministry which is Hamas and is provably unreliable. On top of that about 40% of those are Hamas fighters…

Again there is no "colonialist oppression". Israel was formed in 1948 under fire. 5 to 7 Arab countries attacked the Jews when this country was formed. Why? Why didn't they attack Lebanon when they were formed? or Iraq? or Syria? They were formed by the same colonial powers that formed Israel? Why were Jews not allowed to buy land in their "Mecca"? You're speaking nonsense. Again, you are ignoring what is happening here. Israel did not attack anyone. They were attacked by Hamas, and this is not the first time. Israel left Gaza in 2005, Hamas got elected 2006 and ever since it has been nonstop attacks on Israel. Israel tried to avoid wars by "mowing the lawn" which meant small strategic strikes to try and quell the attacks. After oct 7 it just became clear that they cannot leave Hamas in power. If you truly wanted peace you would turn your attention to Hamas not Israel. You would not overlook the fact that Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian population for the past 16 years, that has indoctrinated the Palestinians to hate Israelis and Jews, trained soldiers, child soldiers, embedded their munitions in civilian structures, hospitals, mosques, schools, built tunnels under the entierty of Gaza. How are you overlooking all of this?

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Again, you are not differentiating between targeting and collateral damage. Hamas broke a ceasefire and targeted civilians. Israel went in to destroy Hamas with the unfortunate result of civilians dying as collateral damage. When you say 50k, there are several problems. For starters you are quoting the Gaza Health Ministry which is Hamas and is provably unreliable. On top of that about 40% of those are Hamas fighters…

Again there is no "colonialist oppression". Israel was formed in 1948 under fire. 5 to 7 Arab countries attacked the Jews when this country was formed. Why? Why didn't they attack Lebanon when they were formed? or Iraq? or Syria? They were formed by the same colonial powers that formed Israel? Why were Jews not allowed to buy land in their "Mecca"? You're speaking nonsense. Again, you are ignoring what is happening h…

I'm not. All that I ask you to acknowledge is that 60,000+ dead civillians is worse than 1,200 dead civillians when you weight all human lives the same. Can you do that?

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There is nothing indiscriminate about attacking Hizbollah pagers. There is however something indiscriminate about attacking civilians like on Oct 7. Targeting civilians as a matter of fact. Even if someone called them "animals" it's hardly equivalent to women being raped and having their breasts cut off, and being stabbed while being raped. That would be "treating" people like animals. Let's not forget who launched t…

You're right, attacking civilians is bad. So what does it say about a nation when it kills at least fifty thousand? ( https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... )

Because when you say that it makes it sounds like Israel randomly attacked Palestinians, which is not what happened. (can you re-enable comments on your comments?)

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I don't. The dissolution of a state implies nothing about the disposition of its people or a violent end to said state.

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If Apartheid South Africa could last just a little bit longer, they would still be an apartheid state like Israel is today. Western media is just as complicit in this genocide as the fascists in charge of the Israeli government. And media are self-censoring which is reprehensible. The idea of Hamas wouldn't exist if Gaza (and the West Bank) wasn't occupied by land, air and sea; their land stolen on a daily basis, and…

Palestinian violence predates the 1967 and 1948. Also Gaza wasn't occupied since Israel left it in 2005. Here's is one example from 1954 when Israel did not control Gaza or the West Bank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27ale_Akrabim_massacre "The Ma'ale Akrabim massacre, known in English as the Scorpions Pass Massacre, was an attack on an Israeli passenger bus, carried out on 17 March 1954, in the middle of the day…

Can you remind us whether this bus attack in which 11 people died came before or after the 1948-1949 Plan Dalet during which over 500 Arab villages were destroyed or depopulated by military forces under the direction of later first prime minister of Israel David Ben-Gurion?

  The plan's tactics involved laying siege to Palestinian Arab villages, bombing neighbourhoods of cities, forced expulsion of their inhabitants, and setting fields and houses on fire and detonating TNT in the rubble to prevent any return. Zionist military units possessed detailed lists of neighborhoods and villages to be destroyed and their Arab inhabitants expelled.

  This strategy is subject to controversy, with some historians characterizing it as defensive, while others assert that it was an integral part of a planned strategy for the expulsion, sometimes called an ethnic cleansing, of the area's native inhabitants.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet

Israelis and Palestinians are largely in the reality they're in due to the violence.

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