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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by belval »

lbrito wrote: post #438
3vidence wrote: post #404

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I feel like its sentiment like this why the liberal party is heading for a historic collapse. "Everything is fine, just cancel disney+" Like young people are struggling... really badly and it seems like the government has done everything they can to make it worse. Most people I've met really don't Like Pierre Pollieve (myself included) but to say the current governments ineptness is propaganda is actually insane.

Well, that wasn't my comment at all. I was specifically stating that the "Canada is broken" rhetoric is largely propaganda. That is very different from saying "everything is fine".

Propaganda? I am the only one of my friend group with a house at 30 years old. Most have completely given up on home ownership, we just registered a 62B$ deficit and homelessness is the worse it's been in my living memory. Universities are balancing their budget by pumping their foreign student numbers and hospitals are so deep in the red access to a specialist for anything non life threathening like a dermatologist or allergologist puts you on a 22 months waiting list even with a physician recommandation...

Not sure what you definition of broken is, but considering our tax rate we are well within our rights to call it broken.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by nsavage »

indy wrote: post #261
nsavage wrote: post #209

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I live in Ottawa and lived here during the convoy. Happy to answer any questions as an actual resident from anyone about my experience.

What were the general public's opinion of the protests? Also how 'dangerous' was the convoy perceived to be? Were the actions of the Government deemed to be overreach?

The protests lasted quite a long time and I think the public's opinion on it changed over time.

At the beginning, most left-wing/centrist sorts of people saw it as an annoyance, but Ottawa is used to protests. Within the first week or so, people were bringing their kids to the event

After the first week or so (again, going by memory here), I think the general perception of danger started increasing dramatically. Most of the kids were gone, replaced my angry men with nothing better to do. In hindsight, nothing happened during the occupation, but given the overlap with the sorts of people who own guns (remember, the border blockade in Alberta at the same time did see people with guns), I think people were legitimately scared. The police certainly were too scared to do anything!

There was also a scare at the time at an apartment building in Centretown where someone tried to barricade the doors and light it on fire. This happened during the convoy, and while nothing happened and it seems it may have been unrelated mischief, we can only say that in hindsight. At the time it was very scary. There was another incident where truckers were showing up at a local school and yelling at people.

I think most people supported the Trudeau government in putting an end to it with the Emergencies Act, which later was found to be unconstitutional. It was pretty popular at the time. The general perception was that the federal government was doing what the provincial government (despite what Doug Ford thinks, Ottawa is actually in Ontario!) should have done weeks ago.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by ploxiln »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #299

I never voted for Justin Trudeau and don't like him, but despite all the angry rhetoric right now in the long term I think he will be considered by history to be one of the better Canadian PMs. Amongst the Canadian PMs I've experienced, Chretien, Martin, Harper, Trudeau made the most impactful and positive policy changes (eg. legal cannabis, childcare) while navigating the country through the challenges of covid and…

My rough impression is that immigration and housing policy contributed significantly to his low approval ratings. Trudeau enacted a rather large increase in immigration a few years ago, and this caused a rather large increase in housing and food costs, with understandable economic repercussions, and changed Canadian attitudes over that time due to the related economic stress...

For ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJHm03osbHc

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by hn-acct »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

> I'm not on the pulse of Canadian politics, so I don't really know what sins or political circumstances have led Trudeau to this point, or if he has any redeeming qualities. Personally, I'm glad to see him gone.

Uh really? Is this another version of “Both sides” claiming you don’t know the pulse whilst amplifying a more right leaning, niche, view?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by notevenremotely »

wk_end wrote: post #532
notevenremotely wrote: post #517

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You can apply for a Green Card directly from TN status, although timing has been an issue recently.

Not a lawyer, but isn't that kind of dicey? The TN is non-immigration and temporary - it's not supposed to be used if you have any intention of permanently migrating. I'd worry about it putting your TN status in jeopardy.

H1-B is non-immigrant and temporary. L1 is non-immigrant and temporary.

Going from TN to an immigrant visa via AOS is only risky in the sense that:

- After you've filed your i485 you will no longer be able to get TN status, this applies regardless of your non-immigrant status.

- You can't travel abroad between filing the i485 and receiving AP, which could be 6+ months.

On the plus side you get a Green Card and don't have to play the H1-B lottery.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by throaway89 »

adamc wrote: post #306
eastbound wrote: post #203

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> effectively holding our economy hostage This is what a protest is. (French here). If protesters go as far, and in Canada it was because you did them dirty, then you must sit at a table and negotiate. You must sit at a table and negotiate with everyone in a country. You cannot do someone dirty then complain that they protest. It’s effects removing the right to protest, and therefore, removing democracy itself. Go li…

Not a Canadian, but no, a protest protests and gives voice to the disagreement. Blocking other people's rights is not just a protest and is likely to trigger action to protect others. That's how it goes everywhere that has rights. Normally, some effort is made to do it peacefully, but there are no countries where you can halt the economy whenever you want to force people to negotiate with you.

A protest which isn't allowed to do anything other than raise voices is a powerless and toothless protest.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by amarka »

dfdx wrote: post #526

A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.

I can’t believe Justin Trudeau would lowball your friend like that.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by busterarm »

throw0101d wrote: post #450
VancouverMan wrote: post #392

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> a residential area Have you ever actually been to downtown Ottawa, where those protests were held? It's not "a residential area" in any sense. The moderately-wide Ottawa River forms the north-west edge of the downtown area. Along it are the Alexandra Bridge, Major's Hill Park, the Rideau Canal, Parliament Hill, the Supreme Court, Library and Archives Canada, and other government-related buildings and infrastructure…

> Have you ever actually been to downtown Ottawa, where those protests were held? > It's not "a residential area" in any sense. World-renowned pianist Angela Hewitt would disagree: * https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/angela-hewitt-play... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Hewitt Her living room, with her piano, is in the area.

Both of these links state pretty clearly that she lives in London. In the UK.

It isn't uncommon for posh famous people to have their posh second, third, etc., residences in places that where normal regular people don't actually live...like Downtown Ottawa.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dismalaf »

sangnoir wrote: post #484
bko wrote: post #459

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Is it because people outside of 18 and 65 don't have to pay rent or a mortgage? Also one of the often touted benefits of Canada to US is the public healthcare system, but after 65 most people are on Medicare which is adequate and under 25 generally under your parents insurance. Genuinely curious whats better under Canadian system for the young and old.

> Genuinely curious whats better under Canadian system for the young and old. The young, old, and those too unhealthy to work full-time. And to answer your question: a better social safety net, IMO. Edit: Because this topic is flamebait, I'm preemptively declaring that I'm not going to argue about my opinion. YMMV.

There is no social safety net. Half my town burned down in a national park, including my own home. You think the Federal government did anything? You think there was any net at all?

The Federal government even had the gall to refuse my 2 year old's passport renewal for example because I only paid the renewal fee, and not an additional fee for the passport getting destroyed before expiration date that was buried under 10 pages of fine print that I missed because we were homeless with a toddler. And they already had my CC# on the application anyway, but because I didn't explicitly mark down the extra fee, the application was refused.

Now we've found a new home in a new town at our own expense, and we can't see a doctor. My 2 year old can't see a doctor. There's not enough doctors and practices won't take on new patients unless you go on a years-long wait list. This is our "free" healthcare. If you're dying, you can go to an emergency room and wait for 8 hours to see a doctor. If you need anything routine you're fucked if you don't have a family doctor. We had one, but our town burnt down and now it'll be years before we have one again.

You know how we access healthcare? We go to Europe. We go to my wife's country of origin twice a year to visit family and get healthcare. I had a surgery there (wait in Canada was 2 years, in the EU I got it done in 2 days), our son has had all his checkups and most of his vaccines done there.

This social safety net is a myth, a theory. It exists until you actually try to access it.

edit - the only help we received was our insurance company, a private corporation. So what's the difference versus the US apart from our much higher taxes and lower wages?

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

thesh4d0w wrote: post #2

> Trudeau, who is now answering questions from reporters, said his one regret of his premiership has been his failure to introduce electoral reform. Oh please, you had lots of time to address this and instead you've just handed us to the conservatives.

People are failing to read between the lines here.

Trudeau wanted electoral reform. But only one kind of electoral reform. A ranked ballot system.

When he couldn't get that, because the NDP and Bloc said "No F'ing Way" (for reasons I'll get into below), he sabotaged the whole committee and forced it shut.

After that he only had minority governments. So there was no way he was going to re-open the issue because he still wouldn't get the result he wanted.

Why ranked ballots, and why are the NDP opposed to them?

Because in a ranked ballot system the Liberals would be the 2nd choice of the majority of Canadians. It would effectively end the NDP as a viable electoral party. At least that's now the NDP saw it. I think a look at other ranked ballot system countries would definitely provide evidence that it tends to produce two-party system outcomes (see Australia, effectively a two party system)

The NDP's preference is for a Mixed Member Proportional system like in Germany. As a partner in a coalition minority gov't with Trudeau there is no way they would have accepted anything else. And key people in the Liberal party will never ever accept such a system, since it would mean governing forever along with the NDP, their ideological opponent (no matter what other people might tell you.)

So, yeah, screw Trudeau, and thank god he's gone (he should have resigned after he failed a majority last time around), but I think people need to dig more on this issue and why he might be saying this:

He wants "electoral reform" and regrets not getting it, because if they had accomplished what they wanted (ranked ballots), they would probably have a good chance at another election win. Yikes.

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