Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport • Hacker News Board

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by maxo133 » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 1:47 AM UTC

qingcharles wrote: post #315

phtrivier wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be very surprised if the _trial_ was to take place "very soon". (Trials hardly ever take place "very soon" in France.) However, I could imagine him staying in custody while being investigated for a couple days, then quickly facing some level of judge to decide whether he has to stay in jail or can be released. Once this is done, don't expect a formal trial until multiple months (and most realistically, at lea…

He's a super high flight risk, so I'm thinking the prosecution is going to make a pretty solid case for him staying in pre-trial until trial in a year or two. He's gonna have a very miserable time. Flying private jet --> watching another man shitting next to you.

Yes and the DGSE agents visiting every week or so giving him an release offer you can't refuse.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 1:48 AM UTC

ineedaj0b wrote: post #432

our open internet will shut around the world in the coming 5-15 years. maybe the US keeps theirs open, but the EU is not looking good.

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by kome » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 1:52 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #449

foverzar wrote: post #379

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US is a no-go for a project like this. No large geopolitical power is.

Signal has, it seems, successfully avoided being coerced by the USG, at least thus far.

the fact that Signal had not those problems is highly suspicious, to say the least.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by seydor » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 1:56 AM UTC

It was bound to happen at some point. Is france one of the better or worse places for him to be arrested?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by kome » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 1:58 AM UTC

stiltzkin wrote: post #407

heraldgeezer wrote: post #223

What about Signal? What about Messenger and Whatsapp, also end-to-end encrypted? Will they be arrested? Is this the end of end-to-end encryption chats?

Because they larp as full privacy.

that's the real answer.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by subsection1h » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 2:01 AM UTC

thomassmith65 (https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=thomassmith65) wrote:

> Of course he is complicit. I imagine most people in tech would argue the good outweighs the bad, but to provide E2EE without any backdoor is to turn a blind eye to the horrendous things for which some people will use it.

> There has been a constant in the tech community, since forever, of stupid idealism. For example, I remember the apoplexy when Napster had to stop facilitating mass piracy. Yeah, what a head-scratcher that was. And now the tech community has convinced itself that E2EE without a backdoor is some viable. Your neighbors won't consider the overall harms worth the benefits, and neither will their governments.

PGP is more than 30 years old. What do you mean by "now the tech community has convinced itself that E2EE without a backdoor is some viable"? What is "now"?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by ranndino » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 2:04 AM UTC

Preposterous accusations! It's like arresting a CEO of a phone manufacturing company because phones are sometimes used for nefarious activities.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by seydor » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 2:09 AM UTC

deadmutex wrote: post #198

theAkomolafe wrote: post #188

This is an insanely big developing story.

> This is an insanely big developing story. For people in tech

Tons of journalists too. Isn't it where most of the news from ukraine war are sourced?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by Vegenoid » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 2:10 AM UTC

maxo133 wrote: post #538

api wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram encryption is off by default and is a joke compared to Signal and others. This has nothing to do with encryption. I could list a dozen E2E encrypted things in common use that are all legal and online. It has nothing to do with ordinary sorts of “bad” content either like hate speech or crypto scams or whatever. All of that can be found in abundance in many places, all of which are still online. This is about…

CEO getting arrested does not mean telegram will go down. Direct involvement with scams? You got to be kidding me. This guy is worth 15 billion USD, he does need to do anything. It's about lack of cooperation in censoring content.

> Direct involvement with scams? You got to be kidding me. This guy is worth 15 billion USD, he does need to do anything.

I have no knowledge about this and make no assumptions about whether or not he is involved in any kind of financial misconduct - but there are many cases of very rich people doing risky and illegal things to further grow their wealth, despite already having more than enough money.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by seydor » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 2:10 AM UTC

vizzah wrote: post #144

A most likely outcome now is that a deal will be made to avoid jail time and he'll let EU do the backdoors or whatever they were asking politely first. Telegram has also tried to distance itself from TON crypto token, but it is so obvious how it still serves the original Durov's vision and controlled by a team of founders (aka initial token holders), now proofing their stakes for a supposedly decentralized blockchain…

It's unlikely that EU has the capacity to install backdoors and to monitor them. Maybe a few individual states can sort-of do that, but not all, and most likely not brussels.