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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Depends on your definition of good. 50k+ is above average (almost?) everywhere and is more than twice the EU average.

The median wage in the US is like $35k, but that does not mean $70k is a high dev salary..

As far as I understand, “not a good wage” and “a high dev salary” are not the opposite of each other.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Just to give you my own experience right now, I literally just accepted a new job yesterday after job hunting for 3-ish weeks. I had multiple job interviews, even more job interview requests. I don't say this to brag, so I apologize if it comes off that way. I just wanted to give you what could be a cancelling-out anecdata point to your own experience. I wouldn't let it get you down too much. Keep hunting and keep ap…

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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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I was in a similar position in 2008. The key thing you need is experience, as people fresh out of college take awhile to ramp up and actually be productive. I'd avoid small startups and focus on larger, established players. Unless they raised money before things started to get bad, smaller companies won't have the same resources as late stage orgs and FAANG. While you're applying, try to get experience however you ca…

> I'd avoid small startups and focus on larger, established players. normally good advice, but it is a conservative stance and one should understand what they are choosing if they go down this path imho. Fresh out of college is a time when you can take the highest risk in terms of jobs; your expenses ought to be quite low (zero dependants presumably), you can share house/get room mates etc; you can work long hours wi…

Yeah, good point.

In my case, I tried starting a company and failed. The learnings I gained helped me secure my next job. Leading up to the company failing though, it was more a less a year of misery.

Based on the original post, it sounds like he's looking for the easier path right now.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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And yet everything will return to normal in 8 months time

You are grossly misunderstanding the situation if you actually believe this to be the case.

The market is emotion driven. With rising stock everyone touts they won't sell during the hard times, but when the hard times hit everyone sings the tune of gloom. We literally have zero idea what the market will bring.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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But if things changes and you no longer need their services then should you just fire them? Telling the employee that they can keep their job if they update their skills is a nice thing to do, it is much better than just firing them without giving them a chance.

If you need more services than you initially contracted for, then you give them time to learn. Why is this so hard to understand?

If you no longer need the services that you initially contracted for, then you fire them since there is nothing left for them to do. How is that so hard to understand? There is nothing saying that you need to keep people around when you no longer have any need of their services, not even any moral reasons.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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You're paying your employee because they are suitable at this moment. Expecting someone to study in their free time is nonsense. If you want that you either need to pay for it or allow study time during the work time.

I want to provide service to clients that we're paid for. I want staff to actually know what they claim they know. I want to deliver so we can all get paid and go home and do whatever else interests us. That's what I want. But I'm the proxy between staff, clients and government. So when I stay up late every night in order to reconcile all the warring parties, the comment I get is "pay more if you want to get more". O…

This reads as "My work-life balance sucks, but rather than fight for improvement, I'm going to complain about how others have it so good."

You sound like you live to work rather than work to live. It's a sad way to live your life. Years from now, you'll be on your death bed wishing you allowed yourself to relax a bit and have more fun.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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MS seems like it should be safe. Slack seems like it could be hit hard.

They'll be all right once Microsoft acquires them.

Slack is owned by Salesforce. My point is that big co revenue will get hit with start up drop-off.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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> We are not machine. Counterpoint: if you want to stay relevant in technology and be above regular level, you gotta have the passion for it and that implies doing your homework. Look at it from another perspective. If you want to play a guitar in a band for money, you don’t require the band to give you “time to learn”. You learn on your own time. If you don’t want to learn, you become irrelevant and get replaced.

You think doctors/nurses do homework? They go to paid courses/conferences all the time to stay up-to-date on the latest medical techniques. Hospitals have entire teaching departments for that kinda stuff. Why should it be different for engineers?

I work closely with a doctor who does indeed do a lot of homework.
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