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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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And that is why I stopped calling myself a progressive years ago. In my youth I thought progressive meant trying to continually better yourself and your community. Now the focus seems to be on cancelling any viewpoint that conflicts with yours. The new trend of digging further and further back in the past makes it even more counter to my previous beliefs of the word

I just don't understand this viewpoint as it completely ignores the history of humanity. "Cancel culture" has been used for many centuries to silence dissenters. Take a look at Galieleo as an example. He was excommunicated or "canceled" by religious organizations that held the primary means of power. He was even forced to recant his positions by these groups. How is this any different than today?

Exactly. It’s no different. Who wants a world that is no different from the classic dark ages?

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I've met Jews. I didn't get the impression that they have an "insatiable appetite for war and killing". Would you say the Jews I met have an "insatiable appetite for war and killing"?

I have met Jews (Israelis to be more precise), Russians and Americans. All have been very nice people. But I think it could be said about all of them as nations to have to some degree "insatiable appetite for war and killing" considering their recent history. Naturally the Russians would label me a russophobe for saying that. Not sure what Americans would label me. I also understand the position Israelis are in and I…

People != nations. Conflating the two is bad because you start blaming people for the sins of their nation and that is how you get to dehumanization.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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That definition is neither empirical, nor is it collectively defined. It is selectively assigned and selectively enforced. And here we are, in a thread where the top level post provides an obvious example.

Miriam Webster also seems to agree. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/cancel-culture...

Miriam Webster is even further from "collectively defined" than Wikipedia is.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Live by the sword, die by the sword. That said, firing him, like they did with Damore would have been more consistent. Because everyone is under arbitration agreements that always benefit the company, vs the courts where you might have a shot at justice, they have no incentive to do that. As repugnant as his past anti-semitic rant was, people change and sometimes say and do stupid things. In a sane world this guy wou…

>Google apologized for his comments and said he was being reassigned to a role on the company's STEM team. He wasn't fired, just reassigned.

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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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> How is that anything except Anti-Semitic? As you frame it, there is no other way to interpret his words (found here: https://web.archive.org/web/20210601160519/https://www.kamau... ). If one takes a charitable read of his words, it might be less damning (although definitely questionable in terms of style): 1. It’s clear in the post that he’s speaking about Israeli Jews. While even Israeli Jews are not monolithic, a…

I find the whole thing offensive in concept, even if he had used "Israeli" instead of "Jew". If some white dude wrote " If I was a Black, I would find it increasingly difficult to reconcile the long cycles of oppression that Blacks have endured and the insatiable appetite for crime that permeates inner cities ", we would rightly castigate him as a virulent racist. It also wouldn't matter if you replaced "Black" with…

He was writing about the government of Israel using some questionable stylistic choices.

Folks seem to have turned his stylistic choices into his thesis, which seems slapdash at best.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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That definition is neither empirical, nor is it collectively defined. It is selectively assigned and selectively enforced. And here we are, in a thread where the top level post provides an obvious example.

Miriam Webster also seems to agree. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/cancel-culture...

Great, now also link me to a cacophony of Twitter activists who've defined it the same way, I am proven wrong.

But, and of course it's a silly request, can you provide any objective large-scale studies as to who (their demographics) is being canceled, for what categorization, and the net effect of their cancellation? It doesn't matter, granted, because the Wikipedia definition of highly politicized terms is, of course, what counts.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Live by the sword, die by the sword. That said, firing him, like they did with Damore would have been more consistent. Because everyone is under arbitration agreements that always benefit the company, vs the courts where you might have a shot at justice, they have no incentive to do that. As repugnant as his past anti-semitic rant was, people change and sometimes say and do stupid things. In a sane world this guy wou…

“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.”

And hey, great news, now we have every line written by every man, woman and child automatically captured and archived forever in an easy to search dossier.

Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding and to a more compassionate worldview. But the writing remains forever, conveniently accessible.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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The main thing I find odd about that person's blog post ( https://web.archive.org/web/20210601160519/https://www.kamau... ) is that it also doesn't really make any sense mechanically. The first five paragraphs are all comments on how it must be difficult for a progressive Jew to simultaneously support progressive values and Israel > If I were a Jew today, my sensibilities would be tormented. I would find it increasin…

I think he must have established by the end the Jews he is referring to are those who support Israeli aggression. Not all Jews.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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If you were your ancestors who were "run out of town on a rail" you would care very, very deeply about your familial bond to Israel. Like yours, my family was run out of town. Unlike yours, many in my family did not run fast enough. If only there was a place they could run to either as first resort or when quota had been reached in other places. If only there was a place that could make running a specific people out…

Despite the downvotes this post has a point - if you want to protect your religion/ethnicity you have to do it yourself. Rise of anti-semitism in Europe - nothing is done Jews seek safety in other countries - immigration denied Holocaust happens - world sympathizes and moves on Israel is under no illusions as to what happens if they don’t have a home and defend it. I kind of don’t blame them for ignoring the worlds c…

I have absolutely no interest in protecting my ethnicity. Plenty of ethnicities have gone extinct and I fully expect most extant ethnicities (and religions) to fade away eventually too. No one will be upset when there are no more Jews any more than they miss Manichaens or Hittites. Borders and superstitions serve no practical purpose. To be clear, I'm not advocating genocide or violence of any kind. I'm just saying attrition is inevitable.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Slightly shocking that he didn't get fired. (yet?) They fired Damore for writing an email that was tone-deaf, insensitive, but largely supported by research. Bobb goes on a clearly antisemitic rant, and just gets reassigned. Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years?

>Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years? Simple explanation is Google's Democrat-leaning leadership are more aligned with Bobb than Damore (in the US, the left are generally anti-Israel while the right support it, and the left are pro-affirmative-action while the right oppose it).

The simple explanation is not always correct.

Damore doubled down on defending the document and asserted his right to publish it. At that point, he made himself a walking Title VII violation and tied Google's hands. Whether management wanted to fire him or not, the legal cost of retaining him was going to exceed his value as an individual contributor.

As far as I can see, Bobb is doing everything he can to work with Google to avoid the further creation of a hostile work environment. It might not be enough, but for now it seems to be worth more to the company to keep him than to fire him.

There may be one aspect, however, where your observation about relative American tolerances for hostile-environment-creating speech matters. Hostile work environment is partially decided by fellow employee's reaction to behavior. If the average Googler is, in fact, less tolerant of biological essentialism than antisemitism, that could create a corporation where one speech is punished more hardly than the other. But I think we ought not to discount the reaction of the separate actors in these two stories once caught in the spotlight.

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