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Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

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Post by baq »

mettamage wrote: post #117
strombofulous wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand, aren't future events supposed to be already considered in the stock price? It's not like a vaccine was unpredictable

+1 Thanks for putting it so succinctly. I really hope someone who knows a thing or two about the efficient market hypothesis can elighten us a bit.

everybody who knows about efficient market hypothesis knows that it's assumptions aren't applicable to the real world and it doesn't really matter; the real problem is those folks who mindlessly repeat propaganda about markets being rational or fair or generally doing the right thing when they clearly aren't.

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Post by procinct »

plutonorm wrote: post #537
procinct wrote: post #494

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Fortunately it sounds very contained. All cases (fewer than 15) were confined to a single location and there haven’t been any more detected since September. So most likely the mutation is now extinct.

Let's see how this comment ages. I give it 50-50

I’m not saying anything with certainty. However, a lot of work has been expended in trying to contain this cluster and currently this is how it looks with the data we currently have.

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Post by mancerayder »

sanp wrote: post #322
bufferoverflow wrote: post #305

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I think we can eradicate it by contact tracing. With 90% efficiency it will be extremely tough for the virus to spread. For any new cases you simply test everyone in the vicinity of the infected person. But I don't think even that will be necessary. 90% efficiency reduces R so much, it will probably die out on its own. The real problem is mutations that are not covered by the vaccine. If it mutates as efficiently as…

Yup. But we do need the government to step in and do this (contact tracing etc.). Hopefully, with the new administration...

I wrote a post about it above. I live in the bluest of blue states, which in the other comments here, in that narrative, you expect cooperation and all this stuff. A false media narrative, if I do say so, but that's not the point - the point is no one trusts the folks behind the technology, nor do we trust random phone numbers.

So the Citizen App has contact tracing. But you have to check into the app, and furthermore, do you trust some private company with the information? About you? Your location and all this ? And contact tracing via government calling you - do you trust random numbers calling you and asking you questions? No one knows when Silicon Valley (in the case of the app) wants to steal some more of your private data, and no one knows when some phisher is phishing as opposed to some volunteer calling you up for contact tracing.

There's a breakdown of trust.

Oh, and saying, 'maybe this administration' is further evidence of that. I live in a blue state, and your perceptions are, I believe, wrong, about the magic around that or the cooperation of the citizenry.

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Post by sfblah »

strombofulous wrote: post #82
input_sh wrote: post #65

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Except Zoom's, which fell from 514 to 410 in less than an hour. Really puts the nails in coffin of the whole "we're gonna work more remotely after the pandemic" narrative.

I don't understand, aren't future events supposed to be already considered in the stock price? It's not like a vaccine was unpredictable

If anything, I'd expect this to be bearish, because it might cause the Fed to stop printing money.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

headmelted wrote: post #185
3dbrows wrote: post #5

At the time of writing (2020-11-09 12:04 UTC) the article uses "90% of people" and "90% protection" interchangeably. I assume it means "90% of individuals achieve immunity", rather than "individuals achieve 90% immunity". EDIT: See child comment re: Pfizer press release. EDIT 2: See [1] for said press release, which has more detailed information than the BBC article. [1] https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/pre…

Pretty confident it's the former, which if the case, essentially ends the pandemic in a month after it's distributed, given that the R0 would drop precipitously. The challenge will be reconciling this with the antivax crowd given that as the vaccine rolls out the rate of infection will come down correspondingly among the whole population (including the unvaccinated). They'll immediately claim that the virus is "going…

R only drops if this vaccine provides sterilizing immunity. The press release only discusses protection from disease.

A vaccine that only prevents disease, but which does not prevent infection, does not necessarily create herd immunity.

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Post by sph »

mlindner wrote: post #347
anoncake wrote: post #50

I wonder if the people scared of permanent damage caused by Covid (for which there is no evidence) will be equally scared of the permanent damage caused by this experimental vaccine (for which there is no evidence either).

Previous polling in the US showed only 70% of people would want a vaccine as soon as it comes available. And it keeps going down as time goes on. https://news.gallup.com/poll/321839/readiness-covid-vaccine-...

Thankfully, the US antivax movement is not as strong in the rest of the world, and thankfully not everyone needs to be vaccinated for the R0 figure to drop considerably.

If cretins don't want to be vaccinated, it's their loss.

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