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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by humaniania »

neylonbill wrote: post #330
roenxi wrote: post #117

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This sort of multiple-headlines-in-one-day undermines the argument for bans. In the Alex Jones case in particular it appeared he was being selected for a broader community image rather than actions on specific platforms. Private companies can't (mechanically, not legally) determine who has a moral right to speak. If we had a magic method for figuring that out it'd have been a feature of politics since at least the Ro…

I love Robert's Rules of Order! I'd love to see someone build video meeting software that implemented it somehow. Or does that exist? A brief search was fruitless.

That's a great idea.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by contrapunter »

iron0013 wrote: post #490
contrapunter wrote: post #482

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Important to recognise that Stefan Molyneux is not far-right, whether or not the far-right are encouraged by his YT channel deletion. I would classify him as an atheist/libertarian.

That’s how you personally might classify him, but many would disagree with you. To my eye, for one, it seems quite obvious that Molyneux is a far-right figure.

Nah; I've listened to a number of his shows. He's a popular political commentator who is anti-communist/leftwing -- that's why they banned him.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by vkou »

memimo wrote: post #357
vkou wrote: post #255

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Communism, as a political movement, was largely extinguished in the US during the 20th century through purges and deplatforming. How many communist organizations do you see, these days? How much reach do they have, compared to the 30s? How much political power do they have, compared to the alt-right, today? Extinguishing that idea into the fringe seems to have worked rather well. As did de-nazification, post WWII. It…

I mean the Democrats tried to nominate one for president and have one in congress in New York.

Bernie Sanders is as much a communist as my goldfish is a whale.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by quadrifoliate »

vmchale wrote: post #527

Good riddance!

Yeah. By his own admission, Richard Spencer wants the creation of a white ethnostate in America [1]. A lot of debates featuring this person were going on in college campuses across the country after the 2016 election moved the Overton window enough for people like him to get an audience.

I was not born white, and there is no way I can become racially white. So from a purely self-interested point of view, I'm glad that his "robust philosophical discussions" about this topic are no longer available to Americans.

[1] https://time.com/4293564/the-billionaire-and-the-bigots/

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by naasking »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #396
naasking wrote: post #301

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Except it's apparently fine to hate the haters. Dehumanization is alive and well, even among progressives.

So we can never denounce hatred and bigotry without being hypocritical? We don't want to be hypocritical, right? So we should never denounce hatred and bigotry! Brilliant! I am super, super tired of "if you denounce bigots that makes you just as bad as them."

> So we can never denounce hatred and bigotry without being hypocritical?

How do you get from "don't hate the haters" to "don't denounce hatred and bigotry"? Seems like you're missing a step like, "denouncing entails hatred". Do you actually believe that's true?

There used to be this notion of condemning the act and not the person. It actually used to be a progressive principle arguing for criminal justice reform geared more towards rehabilitation than punishment. It's sad that this nuance has been lost.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by Ghjklov »

genoapol wrote: post #532
Ghjklov wrote: post #518

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It's just racism dude. Not even white, just tired of the mental gymnastics people go through to justify their actions against white people based sole on their skin color and what they've committed against their people. You're doing the same thing. In the end it's just the tribal, racialist bullshit I'm freaking tired of. It never ends, because we keep justifying evildoing whenever it benefits our side at the given ti…

No, racism is a system of oppression. You have adopted a narrower and more convenient definition that is not shared by the majority of the people that study this subject and its history. Equating people saying "whites can't dance" with the homicidal criminals engaging in the kind of brutality and dehumanization I described above is intellectual dishonesty, at best. >It never ends, because we keep justifying evildoing…

No. If someone says or does something to me based only on my race, they are a piece of shit racist. I don't care how many years his people has been oppressed by some other group of people.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by JPKab »

cogman10 wrote: post #452
FiloSottile wrote: post #411

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Not sure if you're missing it, but yeah, reverse racism is not a thing. The concept of racism is meaningful in the historical and societal context of systemic oppression. A black person saying "all white people are bad" is not feeding into and exploiting hundreds of years of prejudice stacked against an under-privileged group. Edit: a black person in the US, different cultures are different contexts.

A black person saying "all white people are bad" is a bad thing, but ultimately not a societal problem. The issue is the power dynamic. After years of institutional racism, institutions are racist (shocking!). That's the issue. There are far more white people in power and any one of them being racist has a much wider and more devastating effect on PoC.

I think it's very, very important to understand that power, not unlike variable scope, is a collection of nested contexts. You could be a member of a dominant ethnic group in a society, but if you are surrounded by a group of armed members of a less-dominant group, in that moment/context, you don't have as much power as they do. If you survive said attack, and the attackers are brought into court, suddenly they would be right back to the system level context where they lack power.

The fact that it's so incredibly easy to poke holes in these theories is, in my opinion, a result of them being created by professional essay writers rather than true social scientists who follow the scientific method and view data as foundational to advancing theory rather than anecdotes.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by danudey »

devmunchies wrote: post #155
renewiltord wrote: post #60

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It's a free society. If you don't like someone else's house party, build your own. thedonald.win is one such thing.

it's not a free society. there are lots of laws and regulations in place. Saying this is a free country is a useless platitude. Gab (twitter alternative) was just blacklisted by Visa last week. There is no recourse. What, should these people build their own consumer credit company too? https://news.gab.com/2020/06/19/gab-blacklisted-by-visa/

Aw, the poor white supremacists can't find anyone who's willing to work with them because of their hateful ideology. I shall shed a single tear for them.

I'm really upset that the site, which was started to host neo-nazis and violently racist mass-murderers, founded by a person who was kicked out of ycombinator for harassing and threatening other founders, can't find anyone else willing to stand alongside them to fight back against decency and civility.

The reality is that their site is a toxic boil on the internet, and if other companies don't want to have anything to do with them, then I see no problem with that.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by nicky0 »

genoapol wrote: post #532
Ghjklov wrote: post #518

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It's just racism dude. Not even white, just tired of the mental gymnastics people go through to justify their actions against white people based sole on their skin color and what they've committed against their people. You're doing the same thing. In the end it's just the tribal, racialist bullshit I'm freaking tired of. It never ends, because we keep justifying evildoing whenever it benefits our side at the given ti…

No, racism is a system of oppression. You have adopted a narrower and more convenient definition that is not shared by the majority of the people that study this subject and its history. Equating people saying "whites can't dance" with the homicidal criminals engaging in the kind of brutality and dehumanization I described above is intellectual dishonesty, at best. >It never ends, because we keep justifying evildoing…

What you are saying is, you and you critical theory pals have redefined the word to suit your purposes.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by spoopyskelly »

archagon wrote: post #486
Ghjklov wrote: post #477

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I think this is a copout answer. "White" usually refers to people of European heritage who have lighter skin in America.

What do generic "Europeans" have in common with each other? As a Russian, I feel like my culture overlaps relatively little with French, German, or English. Moreover, which parts of "Europe" are actually included in this taxonomy? Are Romani considered white? What about Southern Italians? Black people in France? It all boils down to "people of European heritage with white skin (whose ancestors wrote books and stuff t…

> What do generic "Europeans" have in common with each other?

Civilization.

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