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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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I would love to use iOS devices but somehow I just can't accept I can't run Linux on them. I understand, it's all great and neat and etc. but I also believe IT professionals should use open source OS if possible at all. I don't have strong arguments for this so I understand people have different expectations and understanding.

You sort of can: https://ish.app/

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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There is exactly one attribute which will convince me the iPad Pro is a 'real' computer: when I can develop apps for the iPad on the iPad. Until then... nice, but ...

This is what blows my mind about their decisions regarding software priorities. Being able to build Macintosh apps on a Macintosh was fundamental to the survival of the platform. Hell, there isn't even a coherent story about developing client-side web applications on an iPad, something much simpler—the interpreter's already there!

Didn’t many people develop Macintosh software on the Lisa?

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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This would ruin the iPad. MacOS is a great windowing OS. It’s not made for touchscreens. MS has been doing this weird dance where they tried to smoosh two OSes together and created one bad OS. The absolute worst was when Windows 8 first came out, and I keep accidentally getting into tablet mode on my non-touch screen laptop. Apple is taking the correct course which is to build a new OS from the ground up and adding p…

May I ask how you manage to get into tablet mode unintentionally? I've never experienced this issue and it was my understanding that this is only possible to switch over by opening the action center and turning it on...both very deliberate actions that seem hard to do by accident. I'm not being sarcastic either, though. I work in a repair shop and one of the most common things people bring their devices in for is the…

This might be confusion over what "tablet mode" means. I think he just means the non-Desktop interfaces, which in Windows 8 you could unintentionally get into very easily, famously by double-clicking an image file. And back then, going back to the desktop was a lot harder - this was before they made the taskbar and window frame appear when you moved the mouse to the edge of the screen; you had to use arcane gestures or press the Windows Logo Key and click "Desktop".

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Cross compilation from linux targeting windows is possible. I'm only doing it for C++ but I'd assume others are doable.

Oh yea, if I wanted to really torture myself I could dev exclusively on windows with, like, the ARM toolchain for GNU. That would be insanity. I thought you meant cross compiling the other way: from linux/mac to windows.

Um, I'm talking writing the code on linux and targeting Windows using Linux cross compilation. The compilers are run on linux. The code is targeted at windows. You'd need windows to run it. Windows is the target.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Which is why I hope this doesn't pan out either. I like desktop OSes and I like having major OSes that are not locked down by ridiculous app stores. Stop doing app stores. They work in Linux because they're open package repos, we can add our own tress/signatures in and can have a lot of control over them. App stores are bastardizations of this concept. They offer some additional security for the non-tech user (maybe?…

> They offer some additional security for the non-tech user (maybe? It's questionable) It’s not questionable at all, the App Store has been a cornerstone of the iOS security model for years. You can look at how many millions of Android users are constantly infected because it turns out that most people have zero concept of when to trust a third party or not. Either way Apple does let you run your own apps if you jump…

> It’s not questionable at all, the App Store has been a cornerstone of the iOS security model for years.

It's pretty questionable. The most obvious reason iOS has better security than Android is because iOS has far better sandboxing than Android.

I don't necessarily dismiss claims that moderation reduces malware, but I am at least skeptical of those claims. I haven't seen compelling statistics that moderation on the scale of the iOS App Store has specifically made an impact beyond banning a few high-publicity, wildly bad actors. The evidence I have seen suggests that moderation is likely not a scalable solution to malware.

More to the point, what we do know pretty conclusively is that app stores on their own are not a magic bullet. We can look at Windows, Chrome, and Android and see that app stores don't automatically improve security.

I think you can make a strong case that iOS shows why having a locked down OS in general helps -- the restrictions around the filesystem in particular close off entire classes of malware. But I think it's mostly conjecture to try and separate the App Store from those other improvements and credit it in specific.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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This might shed some light as to why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BLgS7m0W94 tl;dr: phone webcams have DMA, laptop webcams are using USB.

This seems like a dubious explanation; you can get quite high-quality external webcams that use USB 2.0. I'd say a more likely (and harder to fix) explanation is that the phone ones can be deeper; laptop ones have to be very slim to fit.

It could just be a question of pricing. Maybe high quality phone cameras are available for very cheap, while USB 2.0 cameras with good image quality are not available for cheap from any vendors. There might not be any rational reason why this is beyond offer and demand.

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I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

It's best in class for digital illustration work. My partner uses her iPad Pro (along with Procreate) exclusively for her art, and the simplification of the workflow combined with the form factor are impossible to beat. Similar Wacom products require a computer, are more expensive, not as responsive, and not mobile. The Microsoft Surface does not perform as well, and does not have the same killer apps which make illustration so easy on the iPad Pro.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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It’s the same codebase with a different UI on top of it.

You just made my point for me.

Does “proper” in your mind mean “it looks exactly like the desktop version, even if the UI wouldn’t make sense on the platform”?

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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People in this thread are comparing the iPad Pro to a laptop. I would like to get one just to serve as a powerful consumption machine. Websites will load faster with the powerful CPU. It has a great screen and a pencil for occasional doodling. Yes, I know it's expensive, but iPads also last a long time so it's a good deal.
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