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A thread on HN is a far cry from what a typical American thinks. America doesn’t need to take over other nations in the parochial sense. Rather the number of bases the US has established throughout the world accomplish manifest destiny in a modern fashion. No other country has or has ever had this level or scale of military deployment.

I didn't really want to bash on the US too hard but yeah. America has over five hundred overseas military bases. To say no other country even comes close is an understatement. I'm not even saying the US overseas forces are bad. They've been misused, yes, but I don't want to argue about that - it's complicated. To disclaim America's outsize global ambitions, however - for whatever purpose - is just laughable.

The American government may have some “outsize global ambitions” however the American people don’t want any global expansion.

In fact I hear more about Cascadia or Texas seceding than I do about the USA adding new states or territories.

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Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

That’s not how this works. Apple is one of the wealthiest companies in the world, and saying “just don’t spend money there” is a bit reductionist and trivializes the problem of corporations with more power than nation-states. You need to fight fire with fire: governments of the world (especially the US government) need to create laws that restrict and punish this kind of behavior. Otherwise, I sincerely doubt Apple’s…

> “just don’t spend money there” is a bit reductionist and trivializes the problem of corporations with more power than nation-states.

You're totally mistaken if you believe that boycotts and the like aren't taken seriously by big companies, especially companies like Apple where the brand is more important than the product. Of course, it all depends on the size of the boycott, but it doesn't have to cost them millions to become a major problem.

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There are a number of interesting use cases for PWAs, but part of Apple's fear is (potentially) many of their clients will migrate to PWA only, reducing App Store revenue severely. Apple also loses all code auditing and screening, meaning they can't ban GPL licensed PWAs like they ban alternative Linphone builds (as they are GPLv2), Signal Private Messenger builds (GPLv3) and only the official developer can build and…

What interest would Apple have in banning GPL-licensed web apps?

Of that I am not certain, but Apple has banned VLC and many other apps, and continues to ban any GPL code from the app store: https://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance

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Lesson learned: don't use apple phones. Android lets you install APKs from any source.

How many tech parts, phones, and whatnot are “made in China”? How many of these companies are owned by the government? Basically by buying whatever you are shoving money in to this regime. No matter what and where you buy. Also what about huawei?

Nonsense. You are putting many different threats all on the same level.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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That’s not how this works. Apple is one of the wealthiest companies in the world, and saying “just don’t spend money there” is a bit reductionist and trivializes the problem of corporations with more power than nation-states. You need to fight fire with fire: governments of the world (especially the US government) need to create laws that restrict and punish this kind of behavior. Otherwise, I sincerely doubt Apple’s…

The US government is currently rather busy attempting to stave off what looks more and more like a coup. That the tech industry has been a primary player in enabling this. Each and every one of us needs to have a nice long think about our own ethics and what we're willing to support.

How is a legal process a coup? For readers which aren't sure of the definition of coup, "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government."

I don't see how an impeachment inquiry (even if legally a bit vague) as "violent", "sudden", or "illegal", nor is it a seizure of power, since it is just an inquiry.

If you want to argue that ordering witnesses for investigations without first declaring a formal vote on an impeachment inquiry is illegal, you won't find the Constitution or CRS reports state that a vote must be held for such orders to be valid.

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Pot? That's your argument? Show me the state where you can show full penetrative sex on public TV at 9pm, like you can in europe, and I'll agree they're independent. EDIT: OK, that was a dumb example. Substitute banning guns, or lowering the drinking age, or lowering income tax. Country-level things.

Yes, a psychoactive drug with a longstanding and controversial social history having substantial legal differences state-to-state is VERY significant and representative of what statehood represents in the US. Are you from the US? Based on your OP I'm not sure how much you understand mechanics of the federation. And TBH I'm not sure how much you understand China--personally I think 1930s era fascism is a better analog…

> is VERY significant and representative of what statehood represents in the US

Not really. It's frigging pot. It's been de-facto legal for decades.

Show me a state doing something serious, like banning guns, reversing roe v wade, changing the state language, change the voting age. Difference-between-country stuff. I should have thought of something like that for my initial post; would have reduced this silly nitpicking.

And thanks, I'm not from the USA but I'm from a federation too so yeah, I have some idea. As for the China knowledge - looking forward to your cogent, evidenced retort. 请说普通话。

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Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

> wants all these rights others don't have This is exactly how the United States is setup. Notice how pot is legal in some states and not others? I don't see the National Guard marching on Colorado.

Because it's the DEA that does that, not the national guard. The feds have the authority to come in to any state at any moment and shut down any marijuana operations. They did do this for a while until the the DOJ decided to ease enforcement policy under the Obama administration.

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And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

There's a balance between freedom of expression and security (de-platforming). Where that balance is, is different for most everyone.

Destroying democracy is not just somebody's opinion.
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