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Re: Chrome Won

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Can you please explain this in more detail? Ideally with an example request that you see? (I highly doubt that there is any truth to this claim)

I think they were referring to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Safe_Browsing … which uses safebrowsing.google.com, but doesn't send any "DOM hashes" to them.

How do you explain this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5971403

Re: Chrome Won

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I switched to Firefox because Chrome was keeping my fan always busy (high CPU usage and temperature) and using too much RAM. It was always around 5GB for my common usage. In Firefox it's always around 2.7GB. There were some privacy concerns too. Having said that, Firefox also has its issues. It is so unresponsive sometimes, giving long hangs. That's the main problem to me. There are others, like it being slower in so…

Check about:support. Are Multiprocess Windows and Asynchronous Pan/Zoom enabled?

They are disabled:

    Multiprocess Windows 	0/1 (Disabled by add-ons)
    Asynchronous Pan/Zoom	none
How can I enable them?

EDIT: I tried toggling browser.tabs.remote.autostart to true in about:config, but it still gives the same message. Looking into it now.

EDIT2: I did it!

    Multiprocess Windows 	1/1 (Enabled by user)
    Asynchronous Pan/Zoom	wheel input enabled
Besides disabling all my extensions (except for uBlock) I had to disable Ubuntu Modifications.

EDIT3: Wow!! This is so much better! I didn't know project Electrolysis was already out. Thanks!

Re: Chrome Won

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I'd be more than willing to hear your technical thoughts as to why the features I mentioned are not "100% proven better" than the status quo. From my point of view, having measured this stuff over and over again for years, it's undeniable that they result in wins. The remaining bugs are features at the margins and will not affect the overall results. You seem confident, so I'm sure you have specific technical reasons…

> Doing nothing is an even bigger risk. True. But Mozilla is betting on servo which I see as a big question mark as well. Are you sure that people will download firefox over chrome when servo lands? How long before it will finally ship? 1, 2 years? Was there a market research before hand? Like I said its a big question mark. Cant blame me if I have doubts after Firefox OS. > I don't understand why "you shouldn't even…

> True. But Mozilla is betting on servo which I see as a big question mark as well. Are you sure that people will download firefox over chrome when servo lands?

Are you sure that people will download Firefox over Chrome when Mozilla does nothing?

Re: Chrome Won

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Chrome is improving on the resource usage front. It's far from perfect but it's getting better. As for privacy you could use the open source chromium, there's a fork somewhere which has all the Google removed.

One of the privacy enhanced Cromium clones is called Iridium Browser. https://iridiumbrowser.de/

My primary browser :)

Re: Chrome Won

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So Mozilla lost Firefox OS. And their browser share is smaller then Chrome, and then it was, but still top tier and winning from M$. I'm much less pessimistic. Besides a cross platform and extensible browser we see also the following coming out of Mozilla: * Rust, a modern low-level programming language with cutting edge "safety" build in at zero runt time cost, luring many system programmers. * Servo, tomorrow brows…

I understand that people who like rust REALLY like Rust, but you do realize that your examples of a purpose for existence consist of: 1. A programming language, that hasn't yet shown "escape velocity" to go beyond D and other would-be-C++-successors in traction. 2. The only major application of that language... a pre-alpha browser engine, which may or may not eventually replace the engine in a browser that is serious…

Dude, rust already being used in production in several places (outside browser engine), some are being published publicly (you could see it in rust friend page), some are being kept as a private works.

Re: Chrome Won

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Google owns Android, the most used computing platform in the world. It is official, Google is the new Microsoft.

Compare the scale of Google's Scandals to Microsoft's scandals? Microsoft lied to the Justice department, microsoft intentionally broke software on other system, microsoft actively tried to kill open source, microsoft tried to co-opt standardization bodies, microsoft has bought competitors only to fire their staff, microsoft has... Microsoft has a plethora of criminal charges levied against it. Google.... Reads your…

Google does have a profit motive to open sourcing things though: keeping positive developer mindshare.

Re: Chrome Won

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I understand that people who like rust REALLY like Rust, but you do realize that your examples of a purpose for existence consist of: 1. A programming language, that hasn't yet shown "escape velocity" to go beyond D and other would-be-C++-successors in traction. 2. The only major application of that language... a pre-alpha browser engine, which may or may not eventually replace the engine in a browser that is serious…

> Mozilla is an organization with over $400 million in annual revenue. Where that money is going baffles me. This is astonishing. Anyone looked at their accounts?

I don't know why you think this is astonishing. Google spends way more than that on Chrome, for what it's worth.

Anyway, $400 million a year, if you spend it all on developers (salaries, payroll taxes, benefits, desks, monitors, etc) gets you at most 2000 people in the US. And that's if you really stretch things, honestly.

That assumes you don't need a continuous integration infrastructure (which is actually a pretty large cost in practice). And that you don't need legal, payroll, marketing. Or any project management or management at all. And that you're not doing any documentation or anything like that.

In practice, Mozilla has a bit over 1000 employees and isn't spending all its revenue (so pays taxes on whatever it doesn't spend, and saves what's left).

Re: Chrome Won

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> Chrome works on every platform. Except anything MIPS-based. Or Power. Or in fact anything that isn't x86 or ARM. And it's not just a matter of compiling it for those platforms. There's a bunch of architecture-specific porting that would have to be done (e.g. you _have_ to implement a V8 backend; there is no platform-independent way to run V8 just with a C++ compiler).

(Thanks partly to Node) V8 works on Power (LE & BE, Linux & AIX), I'm pretty sure it works on MIPS ( https://github.com/v8/v8/tree/master/src/mips64 ), and you can even get in on z/OS ( https://developer.ibm.com/node/sdk/ztp/ )! Not sure about Chromium support on those platforms, but V8 support is pretty impressive.

I stand corrected. V8 had no support for anything other than x86 (32 and 64 bit) and ARM last I had looked at it!

Re: Chrome Won

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> Privacy will be an issue, and increasingly so. Do you really believe that? The way I see it, most people just don't care. At all. Else they wouldn't sell their souls to private companies (e.g. Facebook and Google) without a second thought and we'd see more outrage against government surveillance that's being pushed in nearly every country all over the world. Firefox is unlikely to gain much of a market share with o…

I think more people care about it than you think, when their attention is brought to the issue. Mozilla should keep that in mind, and make it part of their marketing efforts.

Every time I try to educate friends or family about it, I get the tinfoil look and they call me paranoid. Same with strangers when the topic comes up.

The most common (pretty much only) answers I get are that I'm nuts or that they don't care. And this is in Germany, a country where data protection laws and privacy are usually valued and cared about. But recent development over the last few years has shown that it's really just a small subset of the population that cares.

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Better say "had". They'll disappear in some months, unless you stick with ESR (which has expiry date, AFAIK in 2018Q2)

Have you seen Mozilla's "test pilot" collection of addons? They're experimenting with adding vertical tabs into Firefox: https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center/ It seems Mozilla is very much aware of what will disappear when WebExtensions becomes the only extension API, and what will need to happen to replace it.

That looks very similar what I saw in vivado. Trying it out now, thanks!
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