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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by austenallred »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #516
coldtea wrote: post #497

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> For example they'll say 'the iPhone 6 was the most popular iPhone ... EVER'. As if it's significant. But that's completely unexpected and it's not news, either. I'll happily take a 10 trillion dollar bet that the iPhone 7 will sell even better. And that the new Galaxy S 6 sells better than the 5, and the 7 will sell better than the 6, too. You understand that sales growth can't last forever right?

But as long as it lasts, they can make statements like that while ignoring any other trends that explain the popularity and make their marketing pitch sound more impressive.

I mean, the fact that they continue to sell more iPhones than they ever have of each new model says something. A lot of companies' popularity only lasts one or two product cycles.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by lewisl9029 »

fluidcruft wrote: post #455
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In all fairness I know many people who love to draw on the Surface and really wanted a more precise pen type of input on the iPad; I think this was a long time coming and really necessary. The keyboard cover thing? Sure I could agree with you on that. I actually think Surface did a better job with it especially with the adjustable kickstand but we'll see when I can actually touch and play with the iPad Pro one.

I'm a dinosaur still waiting for something to replace paper. Maybe this is it, maybe not. What I want to do: read things, highlight, scribble notes, diagrams, outlines, sync, search, etc. Basically I want something that completely replaces paper coming out of a printer. It seems like the younger people maybe are more adapted to digital documents, but I have very strong spatial memory for paper and can find things I'v…

> Maybe this will be a big enough kick in the butt for Google to start supporting pen input in ChromeOS or Android (there are Android tablets that have pen input, but IIRC that support is plastered on top by manufacturers increasing support and integration costs significantly, so software updates don't happen).

This is what I'm hoping for as well. I'd love to use a phone with pen support, but as long as it's not built into the core OS, pen support is going to come at the cost of timely OS updates. And that's a trade-off I'm not willing to make since I generally buy unlocked and tend to skip quite a few generations before upgrading.

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Post by anjc »

macjohnmcc wrote: post #373
bigtunacan wrote: post #135

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

They will never make a device that appeals to everybody. Nor should they try. That Macbook Air won't serve as a graphics tablet. The Surface Pro 3 (I have one with the i7 and 256GB) is a clunky heavy difficult to hold thing with an less than great OS experience (with either 8.1 or 10). I'd be okay with the clunky part if the OS experience was great.

The SP3 is thicker by 2mm and is smaller on the other axes, and is 70g heavier. That's clunky?

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Post by ThomPete »

chillacy wrote: post #535
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Possibilities to properly innovate on the platform. There is a reason why iPad is not doing well and I don't believe it's solved by turning it into a sketchpad. Sandboxing control could come with the enterprise license that way everyone is happy.

Not really apple's way it seems. But I'm not sure that the ipad is doing poorly... despite all its many restrictions, it's extremely popular with schools and companies. I still remember when iphones weren't allowed on corp networks but people kept on using them anyways till IT had to support it. Things have come a long way in 5 years

The iPad is not doing well I don't think thats controversial.

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Post by intended »

shas3 wrote: post #444
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Being a sole enterprise device is not a simple use case and it has nothing to do with general usability as far as most people are concerned. Your comment is an epitome of what the post you replied to was talking about.

On the contrary, there is perhaps only one use case where iPad Pro could be a boon for users: industrial, graphic, and sundry designers, visual artists, etc. As I see it today, iPad Pro is a niche product, not a mass-market pro tablet like the ones made by PC manufacturers. Everyone else can either just continue using iPads or use full featured laptops. Contrast this with the Surface Pro.

In those cases, most people would want to have full photoshop/ z brush instead of an app.

Theres also lots of artists who have reviewed the surface pro line favorably. Notably penny arcade's Mike K, and MTG's Noah Bradley.

When designers/visual artists are going to look at the market they are going to see surface pro, not iPad pro.

To top it off - The pro is also relatively closer to the cintiq ideal. Couple that with the iPad pro's price point?

How will you justify getting an iPad pro? The parallax, accuracy and hands on reviews aren't out yet.

I don't see who in the digital design world would buy this, or why.

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Post by tsumnia »

nsxwolf wrote: post #329
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I sympathize with this, although playing devils advocate ... if adobe has web-based photoshop (which I think they do ?) then does it matter ?

My suspicion is the Pencil will not work with it, or if it does, will not have acceptable latency.

I'd be curious who they brought in to test the iPad Pro out. I really enjoyed the fact Microsoft used Penny-Arcade for their Surface and even let them write about the experience. As a consumer, it made me feel like Microsoft cared a great deal about making sure that demographic was heard and they designed a product with that demo in mind.

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Post by intended »

blinkingled wrote: post #374
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SP3 stylus uses batteries. Two of them. Not an issue, and I find the technology far more accurate than the Wacoms, especially around the edges.

Thanks, I wasn't aware that SP3 wasn't using Wacom.

Ntrig, and msft bought ntrig earlier this year.

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Post by anjc »

Gracana wrote: post #120
ant6n wrote: post #31

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And it's not a Wacom-like active digitizer, you need to actually charge this thing. I feel the stylus that came with Windows XP tablet edition in 2002 was probably better than this.

My surface also uses a battery in the stylus.

A €1 battery which lasts more than a year...

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

mythz wrote: post #510
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The key part of that last statement is have to . You're right that as a matter of routine, having recent documents worked with in an app come up on opening it (and an easy visual list of all the files the app has touched) is a great interaction pattern. That says nothing about whether or not there should be some kind of file browser, or other means for users to become aware and able to interact with files outside an…

No the key part is what target audience and use-cases are they optimizing for with each device. Do they want to create an experience that's so simple to use that they're enjoyed by both kids and non-technical grand parents, that's optimized for the most common everyday tasks, e.g browsing the web, shopping, reading news, books, taking photos, finding driving directions, writing emails, etc. Or do they want to offer a…

I like how "multiple windows" is suddenly considered an advanced feature.

You're confusing simplicity with ease of use. Adding a layer of indirection over the intrinsic file system is not simple, and even ease of use is debatable, since it creates an impedance mismatch by definition.

Nor is there any reason to consider this a zero-sum game. Having advanced features does not deprive the common user of their comfort, as they will simply not make use of them.

I'm of course not the target audience for iPads, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking they're anything but a toy. It takes something much more serious for a new computer generation to usurp its predecessor, and if mobile device manufacturers continue in this fashion, they might win only a technicality - market share. As opposed to the usual test of whether a platform is able to bootstrap its own system software, which iOS and Android emphatically cannot.

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