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Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by EarlKing »

dredmorbius wrote: post #482
EarlKing wrote: post #83

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Verification tells you that a human being is behind it, not that a human being made it.

If you can at least attest who is responsible , other tests for AI-generation might be applied, with reputation following from that. Sadly, that's bullshit most of us didn't ask for, and it's turning up all over the place, e.g., among book and short-story publishers, journalism, academic publishing, as well as blogs and social media.

Attesting who is responsible is more of that "bullshit most of us didn't ask for". I'm not interested in identifying myself so some cretin can know whether I am, or am not, an AI... particularly when the vast majority of posters on any platform act like NPCs anyway.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by jpc0 »

rockskon wrote: post #111
jpc0 wrote: post #105

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> The relationship was established decades ago and they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. Having just gone through the annual KYC checks required by my bank/s I don't think this opinion stands universally. Can also confirm to open an account I need to provide a live selfie and verifiable government ID.

Asinine requirement by whatever risk management firm they use. A selfie provides nothing in terms of lasting security while simultaneously adding permanent risk.

Exept they do actually do facial rec against the government database, to my knowledge anyways.

This is a requirement for two different banks I have, very likely for the rest as well.

Doing the live selfie route I don't need to provide tons of other documents.

For banks without the live selfies I need police certified docs for ID and address.

And the big thing for KYC every year is proof of current residence.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by pocksuppet »

damnesian wrote: post #277
no-name-here wrote: post #127

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Are you referring to financial accounts or social media accounts? (If social media accounts, I'm guessing you're referring to the US specifically, and during advance visa processing rather than at the border.)

this is reason enough to close the vast majority of them. if you're engaged in discussion, that's one type. the doomscrolling types, more addictive but very much more disposable.

You will also be denied entry if you say you don't have a Facebook account, since they'll think you're hiding it.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by pocksuppet »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #285
subscribed wrote: post #173

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"might as well abuse this tosser to train the AI a bit. Free compute and classification, hey!" - or so, I guess. They immediately know they'll never get you through :)

Good luck, I don’t know whether the slight line in the adjacent square is part of the traffic light and sometimes I just say fuck it and click random squares.

Google actually doesn't care whether you click that. They care about other things, like how quickly you complete the captcha. Slow down, pretend you're an old granny, and you'll be more likely to pass them.

Sometimes they've already decided you might be a bot, so they'll decide to claim you failed the first several rounds no matter what.

Sometimes I fantasize about getting the Google CEO to complete a reCAPTCHA in Tor Browser live as part of a courtroom trial to prove cheating business practices.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by pocksuppet »

pflenker wrote: post #214

As a parent, what I find effective are content rating systems, be it for movies, games or apps, along with the ability to control and fine-tune them. For example, with Apple's parental controls, I can blanket-decline access to Social Media apps, or to apps recommended for a specific age or older, and I can also allow exceptions as I see it fit (for example, my kids have no access to WhatsApp but they are allowed to u…

That's what the California law does

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by pocksuppet »

matchbok3 wrote: post #409
loopback_device wrote: post #329

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Except that the www came out of Switzerland, the first electric vehicles out of Scotland and Germany, the earliest descriptions of neural networks - also Scotland, and countless other things, like Rockets and whatnot, also out of Europe. But, sure, congrats on that ARPANet thing.

Can you point to the stock markets and silicon valley, and tech leaders and military of those countries? Oh, wait...

Those are bad things to have.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by perilunar »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #79

Back to the internet's peer-to-peer roots. Many protocols besides the www The www became infested with so-called "tech" companies acting as intermediaries (middlemen) Lots of folks making money from surveillance ad system on the www. Oversized, unmanageable websites calling themselves "platforms" The www is an ad network. Not a great place for non-commercial activity Fortunately, the internet is more than the www. Th…

> The www is an ad network. Not a great place for non-commercial activity

No, hard disagree. The web is great for indie content. Anyone can publish anything, at any time. And there's still plenty of great content out there.

Ads can be blocked, surveillance can be blocked, and social media sites can be avoided.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by perilunar »

Joe_Cool wrote: post #407
tifik wrote: post #344

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The problem isn't an individual kids phone. It's their peers devices, or other ways they can explore the internet that isn't under their guardians control. This is a systemic issue that requires systemic approach. I am not making any claims about the qualities of currently discussed systemic solutions, but I do want to point out that the 'parents can just' argument is missing the mark.

They will just rediscover Bluetooth. Kids have always passed around stuff they weren't supposed to have. Source: I was a kid once, we had no cell phones. Porn on 5.25" floppies was a thing.

I was a kid once, we had no floppy drives. 'Borrowing' your Dad's Playboy or Penthouse mags was the thing.

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Post by fsflover »

pixelmelt wrote: post #495
jijijijij wrote: post #445

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But is it resistant to enshittification?

It has about the same problems with finding content that the www has, its just in the earlier stages

This has nothing to do with enshittification.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by timbit42 »

drnick1 wrote: post #313
thefz wrote: post #123

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Once again American capitalism ruins everything for everyone.

Without American capitalism you wouldn't have computers, the Internet, smartphones, AI, electric cars and countless other things. That, and the Costco hot dogs mentioned in another reply.

The world would still have them but perhaps not as quickly is the only difference.
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