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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by bschwindHN »

trostaft wrote: post #508
DanHulton wrote: post #499

Oh my god, yet _another_ "developer-focused" laptop with full-sized left/right arrow keys, which are an absolutely miserable experience to actually use. How is it that Apple is the only company these days( ) that consistently gets this right? ( Yes, I know they used full-sized keys for a while, I moaned and cursed them at the time as well.)

? Sorry, I've never seen this perspective, why do you want the smaller ones? The small arrow keys on my MacBook are one of my least favorite parts of the keyboard.

You want the smaller ones so you can easily locate the arrow key cluster without having to look. The empty space above the left and right arrow keys is a good tactile indicator that your fingers are on the correct location.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by koiueo »

I said it before, I'll say it again: I won't consider Framework until they ditch they're crippled cursor block or offer trackpoint.

I'll buy one on the day of release if they offer both options (my most recent¹ Lenovo is long overdue for replacement)

¹ I don't think I'll ever sell my X220, any I regret selling my X270. Everything after that was a disappointment.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by CarVac »

stavros wrote: post #523
vizzier wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

14" macbook pro with those specs is ~2100. 200 dollar delta for repair-ability seems acceptable to me.

I'd pay $200 to run Linux. The repairability is a bonus.

It's $200 cheaper than that for that configuration with Linux instead, only $2100.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by koiueo »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #155
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Any plans to have a keyboard with a trackpoint and thumb buttons? I Don't need a trackpad. If you add this then you'll have a new customer for life. The trackpoint is the only thing that keeps me chained to Thinkpads.

+1 to that.

I don't know how relevant is the parent argument these days, but pfu see released HHKB with trackpoint. Even despite dropping their signature topre switches, I consider this one of the best purchases. My wrists can't thank me enough.

I won't consider a laptop without one.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by stavros »

CarVac wrote: post #533
stavros wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd pay $200 to run Linux. The repairability is a bonus.

It's $200 cheaper than that for that configuration with Linux instead, only $2100.

Oooh, no contest then. I'm definitely getting one to replace my previous Framework.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by pcchristie »

lawn wrote: post #185
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Will the hinges be 360 like the laptop 12? I wonder how useful the touchscreen will be without it.

It looks like not (you'd assume they'd have called it out if it was). I really don't understand the utility of a touchscreen without a 360 degree hinge.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by mayama »

jampekka wrote: post #13
pojntfx wrote: post #9

I'm really looking forward to having this as the go-to laptop to recommend to devs again. The original Framework chassis was really showing it's age next to e.g. a MacBook Pro or the new XPS 14. Having mainline Linux on a system with 24h+ battery life in a 13" case is pretty damn impressive.

> Having mainline Linux on a system with 24h+ battery life in a 13" case is pretty damn impressive. Does it have such battery life on Linux? The benchmarks, apart from suspend battery life, are for Windows.

They have a battery live stream from 100% to 0 linked on their product page which is broken. Hopefully they'll fix it and add both linux and windows version of the test.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by tuckerman »

enochthered wrote: post #515
tuckerman wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did last year after deciding that Apple's software just isn't for me anymore. I've always had a Linux desktop around (and used to daily drive Linux on a laptop years ago) so I was happy to consolidate on my preferred platform. Biggest gripes I had are: A) battery life (both during use and standby just kinda sucking on Linux in general compared to os x, not exactly framework specific but I did get used to how amazin…

All the same gripes from me. None enough to be a deal breaker, but every once in a while I'll do something on my GFs macbook pro and be blown away by how solid it feels.

I was pleased to see that The Verge's coverage of the event [1] was very positive on the feel of the laptop (even saying they got the hinge feel right like on the macbook which was the first thing I noticed being "not quite right" with the framework when I got it). I'm optimistic that this will be a big step in the right direction.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/gadgets/915508/framework-announces-...

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by koiueo »

pshirshov wrote: post #418
cassianoleal wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In which way? Also, out of curiosity, are you running local LLMs? How's the general experience?

1) Reliable sandbox 2) Nixos makes it easy for agents to research, debug and patch every aspect of the system, even applying kernel patches for the sake of debugging 3) CLI-oriented toolchains. Claude spent around 17 hours trying to set up xcode publishing and in the end just told me to press the button once Organizer pops up. 4) Containers

Containers are great. But on MBP I have rancher, and a beautiful mirror-like screen, and that enormous trackpad which can fit my momma's fat ass.

No technical argument will fit with the mindset of an average dev preferring MacBook.

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