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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by Auracle »

epgui wrote: post #120
Auracle wrote: post #118

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Have you considered the possibility that your opinion is just not representative of the scientific consensus?

I asked ChatGPT on whether or not it was the "scientific consensus."

"Anonymous surveys of intelligence experts reveal division: a 2016 survey found that about 49% attributed 50% or more of the Black-White gap to genetics, while over 80% attributed at least 20%; an earlier 1980s survey showed similar splits. These views are more common in private or anonymous contexts, contrasting with public statements from bodies like the APA that find no support for genetic explanations."

Hm, sure seems like Wikipedia should probably have a more balanced, nuanced discussion considering the experts are split at least 50/50.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by MengerSponge »

jkubicek wrote: post #461
hananova wrote: post #451

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Ethically, if you do not agree with the company you work at, the optimal course of action if you can stomach it is to stay and do a bad job rather than get replaced by someone who might do a good job. I have been in such a situation before, and while I was not able to coast along until the company went under, the time delta between me getting fired and the company going under was measured in weeks. In hindsight I'd p…

Have you read the CIA’s Simple Sabotage Field Manual? https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/...

I've seen it, but I think it's got some places that it would benefit from more clarity. Can we put together a committee to improve and protect our processes from it? We could call it a task force if that's easier to sell to management.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by lithocarpus »

hananova wrote: post #451
pm90 wrote: post #448

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Out of curiosity, it sounds like you're the kind of person that could easily find another job. Why slog it out until the end rather than quit/find a better gig? Genuinely interested because every time I've ended up with a manager like that my mental health has suffered so now I generally start planning my exit as soon as I'm stuck with a bad manager.

Ethically, if you do not agree with the company you work at, the optimal course of action if you can stomach it is to stay and do a bad job rather than get replaced by someone who might do a good job. I have been in such a situation before, and while I was not able to coast along until the company went under, the time delta between me getting fired and the company going under was measured in weeks. In hindsight I'd p…

Yeah, I could see this being true if there was really _nothing else_ I could possibly be doing with my time that is worthy. But there are a lot of worthy things I could be doing with my time.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

echelon wrote: post #375
dgxyz wrote: post #353

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Oh I worked at one of them. I found the best thing to do was to ignore the interrupts and carry on until they kick you on the street. Then watch from a safe distance as all the stuff you were holding together shits the bed.

Why did Tesla work initially? Because they were first to market and people were willing to overlook flaws? When did it start falling apart? Why hasn't the same happened to SpaceX? (Gov contracts, too big to fail, national defense, no competition yet, etc.?) And honestly, why hasn't anyone domestically put up a decent fight against Tesla? Best I can think of is Rivian, and those have their own issues.

I can't find one at the moment, but I recall seeing several interviews where people claim that SpaceX is structured with "handlers" or "stage managers" to keep Elon away from where the real work was being done. SpaceX has had Elon the longest, since the beginning, so they're just the most experienced with it. Though, now that people have discussed that publicly, I wonder if Elon ever caught on...

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by johnnyanmac »

snackerblues wrote: post #520
johnnyanmac wrote: post #79

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So, it utterly fails? A good part of the community still seems to be stuck in 2017 where Elon could do no wrong. Turns out a lot of not just wrong, but malice could be done in 9 years. And worse yet, incompetent malice. I don't know why that has to be a political statement these days, but thems the brakes here.

Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

And I repeat

> I don't know why [This person done bad actions] has to be a political statement these days, but thems the brakes here.

Thanks for proving my point.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by sigmarule »

dmarcos wrote: post #491
hananova wrote: post #457

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Sales are artificial boosts yes. The difference is in the connotation. A sale is given for something that people generally would buy anyway, but now more people will. An artificial boost is given to stuff nobody wants, but at a lower price can be convinced to buy. Or in other words, sales raise $high_number to $higher_number while artificial boosts raise $essentially_zero to $acceptable_number.

Your claim is that people that bought the cybertruck at a lower price don’t actually want it?

I believe the claim is that the demand side did not change, the supply side did, as in sales != demand.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by [deleted] »

tyleo wrote: post #373
Imnimo wrote: post #125

I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

It’s interesting because for a long time people wanted to work for Elon because he held the moral high ground. “I’ll bring electric cars and space colonization online or die trying.” It’s sad to see the shift.

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Post by malikolivier »

jkubicek wrote: post #461
hananova wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ethically, if you do not agree with the company you work at, the optimal course of action if you can stomach it is to stay and do a bad job rather than get replaced by someone who might do a good job. I have been in such a situation before, and while I was not able to coast along until the company went under, the time delta between me getting fired and the company going under was measured in weeks. In hindsight I'd p…

Have you read the CIA’s Simple Sabotage Field Manual? https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/...

I did not know the existence of this manual. It was a very interesting read! Especially after page 28 (General Interference with Organizations and Production).

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by pstuart »

localghost3000 wrote: post #492

Musk sounds like such a nightmare to work for. I legitimately don't understand why anyone would put up with him. What's the appeal?

He has followers -- takes all kinds, eh?

That said, I'm going to guess that some feel like it's the best choice they have -- the devil they know.

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