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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by toast0 »

MeetingsBrowser wrote: post #497
Zak wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also FaceTime for calling distant relatives. Are your relatives unable to install Signal or WhatsApp? Yes is a possible answer here, but installing a messaging/video-call app seems pretty low effort. I've had several elderly relatives do it and none required hand-holding, just the name of the app.

Even starting a FaceTime call is a struggle for lots of people. Installing an setting up Signal or WhatsApp is out of the question for a huge portion of the population.

> Even starting a FaceTime call is a struggle for lots of people.

Yes, 90% of global smartphone users can't do it at all :P

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by smlavine »

upmind wrote: post #521
upmind wrote: post #519

TIL that Motorola is 3rd in market share in the US, albeit only 3-5% but still insane it's above Google. (NOTE: this is according to LLM)

To be honest, I don't think I've ever met someone with a Motorola.

I like mine. the moto g line of phones are like $200, unlocked. They're fast enough for anything I do with a phone. It runs android. It's fine. I've thought about GrapheneOS before but I a) don't want to give Google money to rely less on Google and b) Pixels are expensive. If Motorola can change those points then I'd definitely be interested.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by KurSix »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

The real question is whether Motorola is willing to accept lower short-term margins (and possible carrier friction) in exchange for long-term brand differentiation

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by array_key_first »

rangestransform wrote: post #418
sho_hn wrote: post #396

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> so many developers and other tech nerds - the type who post on HN The average developer stopped being a "tech nerd" around 2010 or so. I think older developers sometimes don't understand how the ranks have swollen and how many, many more people are in software now that don't have the "I was a nerdy kid in the 90s, loved computers and chose the career" upbringing. The average developer now has a MacBook, went to a b…

I used to be a custom rom guy in high school, and I also used to develop apps for my nexus 5. Now I have an iPhone and I save the tech nerding for work hours. I definitely would not have gotten this far without my custom rom days, but now my phone just needs to do phone things so I can work on robots instead.

Android phones do phone things. They work perfectly fine - in many ways better than iPhones, and in others not as well.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by ysnp »

Avamander wrote: post #289
mendelmaleh wrote: post #167

One thing that bothers me is the seeming lack of transparency about who is running GrapheneOS. Daniel Micay supposedly stepped down, so who is calling the shots now? Who runs the CI? Who owns the update servers and signing keys? Who am I trusting?

They also have an overly reactive social media presence, somewhat similar to what ffmpeg has. Could end up being bad PR for Motorola. Funnily enough that same social media person has some odd ideas about trust and PKIs.

>some odd ideas about trust and PKIs.

Can you explain what you mean?

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Post by array_key_first »

QuiEgo wrote: post #471
Zak wrote: post #350

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It's not just the average consumer. I continue to be surprised that so many developers and other tech nerds - the type who post on HN - chose and continue to choose the iPhone over Android when Apple dictates what apps they can install and locks third-party accessories out of certain features. Current times do present the opportunity to raise awareness of the issue though. App store bans for apps like ICEBlock, and v…

This reminds me of when people say “I can’t believe developers use VS Code, real developers use vim/emacs” It’s a tool, a means to an end. I just want my tool to be easy to use and work. Another analogy would be cars: do you tune and modify, or do you want a transportation appliance? There is no wrong answer. Maybe your hobby is tinkering with your tools. If that’s you, more power to you. I want a phone, editor, and…

There are actually wrong answers. We, intuitively, like to think in tradeoffs. No free lunch and all. So more open phones must be harder to use, they must be X Y and Z. But theyre not necessarily.

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Post by thewebguyd »

evolve2k wrote: post #511
neya wrote: post #216

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This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

Counter-point; we are in times of mass upheaval and protest. Purchasing a secure phone is desirable to almost anyone who is increasingly worried about state and corporate actors, especially those that would seek to surveil and coerce. I suspect some will buy these phones as a daily driver, some as a second phone. Institutional trust is at an all time low, this is a smart move selling into the growing demand for secur…

> Lenovos recent big decision to sell Linux as the default on their new devices.

Where did you see this? I want to believe it, but I can't find any press release about this (other than it already being available as an option at checkout, but it's not default) outside of weird domains full of AI articles.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by 0xdeadbeefbabe »

neya wrote: post #216
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

> user control and freedom

Yeah, most people don't want that. Wasn't that apple add with the hammer all about freedom?

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by KurSix »

anon5739483 wrote: post #9

GrapheneOS is finally decoupling itself from Google Pixel phones. This is great news. Motorola makes great hardware too. Looking forward to see what comes out of this.

What's interesting about this announcement is that it implies actual cooperation instead of GrapheneOS having to reverse-engineer and work around OEM limitations. If Motorola is willing to provide proper hardware support, documentation, and not cripple things like verified boot or alternative OS installation, that's a completely different dynamic

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Post by dismalaf »

Aldipower wrote: post #505
swiftcoder wrote: post #499

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Back in the 90s, Macs were mostly used by the "tech nerds". Normal people ran windows 95/98. It's still kind of weird to me that Macs became sufficiently mainstream as to lose their tech nerd cred :)

My memories are different. Macs were run by media guys for graphics, video and audio. Tech nerds used, sure Windows, DOS, but also Linux already, many types of Unixes, Netware, Commodore Amiga, Atari ST or Falcon. But Macs? No!

I was young but I do remember during the 90's my really nerdy computer/programmer friends being into Apple stuff until around the time Steve Jobs left, then getting into Unixes and eventually messing around with Linux or going back to Apple when they adopted a Unix base for OSX.

My own experience was learning on an old IBM PC at school, then Apple 2s later. Also my dad was a programmer (but maybe less nerdy/more professional) so I got second hand x86 hardware and learned to program on Windows with Visual Basic, Delphi and Visual C++ (since he already had licenses). Eventually I got into Linux in the late 90's.

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