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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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This is one of the reasons it's crucial that the next set of secure messaging systems does away with tying real phone numbers to accounts. One phone gets compromised and the whole network is identified with their phone numbers.

Gee, like any of competing systems like Session.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Because Snowden, agree with him or not, showed us that reality blew away our imagination. It may feel normal now, but back then, serious people, professionals, told us that the claims just were not possible. Until we learned that they were.

Until that moment, the general sentiment about the government and the internet is that they are too incompetent to do anything about it, companies like Microsoft/Apple/Google/Snapchat are actually secure so lax data/opsec is okay, etc. Meanwhile, the whole time, communications and tech companies were working hand in hand with the government siphoning up any and all data they could to successfully implement their Life…

> Until that moment, the general sentiment about the government and the internet is that they are too incompetent to do anything about it

In 2008 I worked with a retired NSA guy who had retired from the agency 5 years prior. He refused to have a cellphone. He refused to have a home ISP. Did not have cable tv, Just OTA. He would only use the internet as needed for the work we were doing and would not use it for anything else (news, etc). He eventually moved to the mountains to live off grid. He left the agency ten years before Snowden disclosed anything.

An example like that in my life and here I sit making comments on the internet.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

Because Snowden, agree with him or not, showed us that reality blew away our imagination. It may feel normal now, but back then, serious people, professionals, told us that the claims just were not possible. Until we learned that they were.

> Snowden, agree with him or not, showed us that reality blew away our imagination.

pretty much everything Snowden released had been documented (with NSA / CIA approval) in the early 80s in James Bamford's book The Puzzle Palace.

the irony of snowden is that the audience ten years ago mostly had not read the book, so echo chambers of shock form about what was re-confirming decades old capabilities, being misused at the time however.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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The whole premise of the second amendment is about citizens being armed in order to resist/overthrow a government

In which case it's no longer relevant because nobody is going to overthrow a government that has nukes, tanks, drones, and chemical weapons using a hunting rifle or a handgun. The idea was cute enough back when the firepower the government had to use against the people was limited to muskets and cannons, but currently the idea of guns being used to overthrow a government with a military like the US is a complete joke…

>nobody is going to overthrow a government that has nukes, tanks, drones, and chemical weapons using a hunting rifle or a handgun.

The Chechens in the first Chechen war more or less did so by starting with guns and working up the chain via captured weapons. Eventually gaining complete independence for a number of years, against a nuclear power.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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An American VA Hospital ICU Nurse was disarmed and executed. Which crime is it OK to be chemically and physically assaulted before being disarmed and shot dead?

As far as I understand it, he laid hands on the officer, then struggled against arrest. He had a gun on him, which is not in itself a problem, but he had already broken the law 3 times by this point and the fact he had a gun on him instantly escalates the potential threat. They don't know if he has multiple guns on him or just the one. Supposedly one of the videos shows him reaching for some black object. I don't kno…

> As far as I understand it, he laid hands on the officer, then struggled against arrest.

That's not how I understand it.

> Supposedly one of the videos shows him reaching for some black object. I don't know.

It would be good if you'd watch this review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIOwTMsDSZA

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Why is it so obvious to you to investigate something that is perfectly legal?

> something that is perfectly legal The goal is to prevent ICE / BP from doing their jobs. Which I rather suspect is not actually legal. Thinking they're incompetent doesn't change that. Thinking the specific laws they're (nominally) enforcing are evil doesn't change that. Thinking that national borders are fundamentally illegitimate doesn't change that. Perhaps the FBI had been ignoring this out of incompetence. Per…

> The goal is to prevent ICE / BP from doing their jobs.

No. The goal is to protest ICE / BP doing their jobs in criminal ways.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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It's not illegal to track law enforcement, but if any of their still visible chats show intent it will hurt them. They'll also want to find out how many people in the group chat are outside of the US, if any money was being exchanged, etc. Hopefully they can unwind these groups, because it's just pitting people against law enforcement who have no idea what they're up against. They don't seem to have a sense for when…

> because it's just pitting people against law enforcement who have no idea what they're up against. i think people know exactly what theyre up against: a lawless executive, many members of which have never had to work in places where they are held accountable to the constitution before. its more important for the government to follow the constitution than for citizens to follow the law. if the government isnt follow…

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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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This is what collaboration looks like

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No, of course not. I don’t think it’s a crime to be punished.

I’m just saying I think you’re helping an authoritarian regime, and I think that’s bad.

I’m saying it because I think you should feel shame, not to suggest you should be punished beyond those basic social consequences.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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How does Palantir defeat Signal's crypto? I suppose it could be done by pwning everybody's phones, but Palantir mostly does surveillance AFAIK, I haven't heard of them getting into the phone hacking business. I think Israeli corps have that market covered.

It doesn't, they're infiltrating the groups and/or gaining access to peoples' phones in other ways.

Which is not much different than how the January 6th people were caught.
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