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Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by wirrbel »

gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

i work for a for-profit owned by a non-profit. This is a weird take. You can shape a product, sure you need to bring in a profit, but there are options of working with your owner (the non-profit) that you just don't have in a publicly traded company.

I am sure people would queue up for the job, fully aware of what it entails.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by inopinatus »

dotancohen wrote: post #245
high_na_euv wrote: post #192

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Translation? Image search? Live captions? Dubbing? Summary? Rewrite text better?

> Translation? Sounds like a great OS feature. I might want to use this in my PDF viewer and Office viewer as well. > Image search? Sounds like a web site, not a browser feature. > Live captions? Sounds like a great OS feature. I might want to use this in VLC as well. > Dubbing? Sounds like a great OS feature. I might want to use this in VLC as well. > Summary? Sounds like a great OS feature. I might want to use this…

The mindset of every browser vendor is that they are the OS now, and all that kernel and userland guff merely supporting infrastructure.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by afarah1 »

keeda wrote: post #482

Everyone is reacting negatively to the focus on AI, but does Mozilla really have a choice? This is going to be a rehash of the same dynamic that has happened in all the browser wars: Leading browser introduces new feature, websites and extensions start using that feature, runner-up browsers have no choice but to introduce that feature or further lose marketshare. Chrome and Edge have already integrated LLM capabiliti…

Of course they have a choice. Just don't do it. All you said are predictions of what may or may not happen in the future. The opposite could be true - the audience at large may get sick of AI tools being pushed on them and prefer the browser that doesn't. No one knows. But even if you are right, supporting an hypothetical API that extensions and websites may or may not use and pushing opt-out AI tooling in the browser itself are very different things.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by charcircuit »

__alexs wrote: post #530
charcircuit wrote: post #522

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There doesn't have to be any for my analogy to make sense. Saying that a law is bad because it prohibits someone from doing something is a position of anarchy.

I didn't say a law was bad.

Okay, I assumed that was meant by "cross a line."

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by Teever »

glenstein wrote: post #512
zug_zug wrote: post #354

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So if you have a billion in the bank, you can collect 5% return and never touch the money. So you get $50m a year to pay enough engineers to make a browser. That's plenty of money if they recognize they need a super lean company with 0 bloat and a few highly paid experts who focus on correctness and not bullshit features.

>So if you have a billion in the bank, I just want to note that this is what is sometimes called carouseling. Which is, instead of acknowledging the original accusation was not correct, which is what should be happening, this comment just proceeds right on to the next accusation. What is happening, psychologically speaking, that is causing a mass of people to spew one confidently wrong accusation after another? They…

> "...if they had seen Mozilla making the financial moves that would have made it an independent and self-sufficient entity."

Does their endowment fund enable them to be an independent and self-sufficient entity?

In other words, Can they live off it in perpetuity?

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by dagurp »

keeda wrote: post #482

Everyone is reacting negatively to the focus on AI, but does Mozilla really have a choice? This is going to be a rehash of the same dynamic that has happened in all the browser wars: Leading browser introduces new feature, websites and extensions start using that feature, runner-up browsers have no choice but to introduce that feature or further lose marketshare. Chrome and Edge have already integrated LLM capabiliti…

Of course they have a choice. Firefox started going downhill IMO because they kept copying Chrome. Vivaldi decided not to include AI until a good use case was found for it. This announcement was met with a lot of positivity.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by Fnoord »

rdiddly wrote: post #427
pseudalopex wrote: post #361

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How many engineers are enough to make a browser? How do you know? Vivaldi employ 28 developers and 33 others to make an unstable Chromium fork and email program.[1] Bloat and bullshit features to you are minimum requirements to someone else. [1] https://vivaldi.com/team/

There are about 800 unique weekly committers to the Chromium project, so that's a start at gauging the number for that project. A little harder to find that same figure for Firefox, but Wikipedia says Mozilla Corp had about 750 employees as of 2020. Anyway, if you have $50M, you can afford 500 people at $100k, or 250 people at $200k. So you simply declare, this is how many people it takes to make a browser, and set y…

Maybe they should quit their presence in the Bay Area. The rent is insanely high. Not just of an office, also the workers. Besides, freedom of speech, liberty, DEI are each under pressure in USA. Mozilla is very much welcome here in Europe :-)

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by [deleted] »

Teever wrote: post #535
glenstein wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So if you have a billion in the bank, I just want to note that this is what is sometimes called carouseling. Which is, instead of acknowledging the original accusation was not correct, which is what should be happening, this comment just proceeds right on to the next accusation. What is happening, psychologically speaking, that is causing a mass of people to spew one confidently wrong accusation after another? They…

> "...if they had seen Mozilla making the financial moves that would have made it an independent and self-sufficient entity." Does their endowment fund enable them to be an independent and self-sufficient entity? In other words, Can they live off it in perpetuity?

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Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by array_key_first »

wvh wrote: post #308
gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

I'm still sad they shelved Mozilla Persona due to low adoption. There is a hole in the market around privacy and identity, and Mozilla would be a natural choice to fill it, but it's going to be an uphill battle to get major sites and end users on board. Not a job to be envious about indeed.

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Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by [deleted] »

eviks wrote: post #138
1718627440 wrote: post #84

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They are still the only browser I know, which has actual useful chrome like changing the stylesheet, is CUA compliant and behaves and feel like a native GTK+ app (now-a-days only after restoring the OS window bar and enabling the menubar). They also have useful keyboard behaviour and provide both a search and a URL bar, which makes it effortless to search locally and perform additional refinery searches while hunting…

> They also have useful keyboard behaviour Like not being able to change the default shortcuts?

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