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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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I worked on the Twitter iOS app. Can confirm my kid isn’t allowed a phone until they’re a teen. Once they get one, I’ll be spending hours figuring out how to MDM brick the thing so they can’t get anywhere near social media. Having said that, I’m still an app dev (personal finance & budgeting) and I’m excited to onboard my kid into that world.

Apple Configurator.app You can set the phone to only run an approved list of apps (like Phone and Messages, and that’s it, no App Store)

Can you expand on it?

Screentime control are absolutely lackluster

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Just ban advertising. Everything follows from the all out war on attention, and ads are its fuel.

I have a pretty libertarian steak, but I do sometimes think that banning advertising in general might be so beneficial for society that it would be worth taking the free speech hit. Not sure how in the hell you enforce it though. "What is an ad?", for example.

One thing I enjoyed when I drove through Incheon and Seoul, Korea, recently was that there were basically no ads/billboards outside.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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I find all of these bans quite interesting because when I was at school we would be figuring out how to circumvent the web filters and would be building apps to hide the games we had open on Miniclip when a teacher walked past. I think I kind of owe my software development career to these early days as that is what inspired me. We didn’t have smartphones when I was at school and I guess things weren’t as optimised to…

I think some of the difference may be the form factor.

With traditional computers, the computer was in a specific place, and people would use a computer when they were at the computer. Then, when it was time to eat lunch or go to the bathroom or go to the next class, the computer was gone.

On top of this, a real keyboard is much faster for typing, which means that less time is consumed merely transcribing one’s thoughts into text.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Banning phones is simpler, and has no downsides. You are at school to learn, you don't need a phone or tablet for that. Besides, lots of things can be addictive and distracting. Personally I'm addicted to reading news. Had smartphones existed when I was a kid, simply banning social media and games wouldn't have been enough.

Banning phones has no downsides. You're in the office to work, you don't need a phone or tablet for that.

Well, people do need to reach you and people mostly aren't chained to their desks in an office any longer so you do need a phone of some sort. No, you don't need a tablet in general and I mostly never used one in a professional capacity.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

OK, but anyone who makes this argument should at least put some effort into thinking about how to define what is a social network, and what is an addictive game. It’s not that you’re wrong, but you need to think about the execution and making sure that the criteria has a strong basis in principle that can be used to justify the decisions on what to ban. Otherwise you’re just suggesting the impossible

There were plenty of games around when I was a kid, and I’m not convinced they were materially less addictive. But none of them could fit in my pocket or could send me notifications.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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For very small children it probably doesn't make sense, but when they get a bit older it's not that unusual. My kids have my credit card on their phone for when they need it. They are also joint owners of our bank accounts. We've told them if they ever get the news that we have died, they should go withdraw a bunch of money to carry them over until all the estate stuff settles.

Damn, it's impressive how trusting you are with them. My parents would never had done that. Seems like your kids are being raised well.

Sharing a credit card doesn’t take an huge amount of trust. Every time a charge is made on my card, a notification flies by on my phone. If they abuse the card, I would find out right away.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Disclosure: I work for a social media company. However I live in the UK. Most schools in the UK ban phones in school. The difference here is that in this study phones were taken away for 21 days, even after school. They lost access to the phone completely during that time. I am less convinced that we should wholesale ban phones for kids, because in the UK at least, there is no longer any culture of letting kids go ou…

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Is it censorship when school teaches you maths but not how to skibidi a toilet?

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

#539

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Apple Configurator.app You can set the phone to only run an approved list of apps (like Phone and Messages, and that’s it, no App Store)

Can you expand on it? Screentime control are absolutely lackluster

Hopefully with some future update. You are totally right - badly needed thing

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

Sounds a good policy but inherently not enforceable. Will end up similar to privacy as there's simply no way to effectively control the offshoots. You ban social networks, they will masquerade it into self-development products. You ban addictive games, they present an argument of socialising, etc...
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