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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by bmitc »

joemi wrote: post #517
bmitc wrote: post #34

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Homebrew is a nightmare. Nearly every development tool on macOS requires some sort of workaround, usually found in the depths of forums or StackOverflow. Apple has also positioned macOS to be the absolute worst platform for graphics libraries. They only support Metal and an outdated version of OpenGL which they'll remove entirely at one point. Windows directly supports DirectX, Vulkan, and OpenGL. Go ahead and try to…

> Go ahead and try to rename iTunes because there's no other way to keep it from opening when your non-Apple Bluetooth headphones connect. Good luck. I have non-Apple bluetooth headphones (Sennheisers) and this isn't something that happens on my M1 MacBook Pro. Is this a common issue for other people?

A quick search will verify its commonality, and like most Apple issues, it's been ongoing for years.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by bmitc »

ricardobeat wrote: post #499
bmitc wrote: post #139

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Yes. Everyone knows that. But that doesn't uninstall the application. It just deletes the top files. It doesn't remove any caching or configurations or other files in other parts of the system like a Windows uninstaller does. To do that on macOS, there are third-party apps that provide this functionality.

This is by design. Mac apps don't leave tons of trash around like their windows counterparts. Only some config files, always in a standard location. So when you reinstall, everything just works. Your data lives in iCloud or the documents folder, and is not meant to be deleted when you uninstall.

I don't recall that being true.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by indymike »

jonathankoren wrote: post #394
indymike wrote: post #343

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I would never work at your company. I use my own tools, thank you.

You're own tools are your own personal files? Interesting. How do your vacation pictures help you do your job?

> How do your vacation pictures help you do your job?

This question is why I don't want the company laptop.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by indymike »

TylerE wrote: post #421
suslik wrote: post #419

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Not the OP, but personal files are not just vacation pictures. I work in R&D and I have my org-mode/roam on various scientific and technical topics going back 15 years or so. I use these for work to benefit my current company, and maintaining two parallel versions of these is rather inconvenient.

Isn’t that exactly what a cloud drive is for? There’s a difference between using your personal notes for business purposes on the one hand, and keeping company property and data on a machine totally outside IT control. That’s just a massive lawsuit waiting to happen, and it’s bad for the employee too - why would you want the liability?

I don't want or accept IT control of my personal machine.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by roxil »

roxil wrote: post #282
bruce511 wrote: post #13

Back in my youth, when I was time rich and cash poor, this kind of tinkering was fun and a good way to improve the machine I was using. Now that I have more disposable cash, but waaay less time, I couldn't imagine "wasting my time" doing this sort of thing. These days I want to -use- the computer, not spend time trying to convince it to work. Incidentally it's the exact same journey with my cars. 35 years ago I was f…

I find these days the Steak Deck has become a great device for tinkering. I've seen people do some nice unexpected stuff with it, for example making an opening in the back to connect an dedicated GPU or using it to pilot drones in Ukraine.

*I meant "Steam Deck", autocorrect strikes again...

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by sbuk »

joshspankit wrote: post #384
Teever wrote: post #381

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How long do you think you'll go? You'll inevitably have to switch because available hardware will become scarce, what platform will you go to then?

This argument is deeply depressing to me. Most days I hope that we (as a planet) get past all those obfuscated vendor lock-ins but over the last decade we’ve watched the, get worse and tighter as they get backed up by lobbied laws. And now I’m worried that you’re 100% right. But we can still be saved by big ideas. We (modern humans) have done it before. I just hope the seeds of it are already planted.

It’s not as if the OP can’t install a different OS that does support x64 processors. The OP is describing a Hackintosh, so there is no vendor lock in. For that matter, installing alternatives on x64 based Macs is also reasonably trivial and as Apple silicon matures, so does the reverse-engineering knowledge (much like it did with the ‘commodity’ PC components used for Linux today), and the vendor lock in issue disappears.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by Teever »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #508
Teever wrote: post #381

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How long do you think you'll go? You'll inevitably have to switch because available hardware will become scarce, what platform will you go to then?

The hardware just keeps on working (7 years and counting). If you don't abuse it PC hardware just keeps on going. But just to be sure, I've stocked up on compatible motherboards and processors. I'll be here till the bitter end. I'll probably be buried with my Hackintosh.

Such a weird thing to personally identify with so strongly.

Where do you think that comes from?

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by mid-kid »

jupp0r wrote: post #215
mid-kid wrote: post #103

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Custom drivers trip some security features and "taint" the kernel.

How does that impact iMessage? Are parts of it implemented in the kernel?

The application can see that the kernel is tainted and refuse to run. Similarly, some kernel-related functionality may be disabled. None of this requires iMessage to run in the kernel or have a module of its own.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by seec »

WanderPanda wrote: post #399
Gracana wrote: post #222

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I think there's a difference with Linux, because it's something you own and control and can dive into and see every part of. I hate investing time in proprietary technologies, because I know I can be stopped or locked out. With open source software, simple electronics, old cars, fabrication and woodworking, the time I spend learning feels worthwhile.

Even this "I hate investing time in proprietary technologies, because I know I can be stopped or locked out" is a hard-gained insight. Hackintosh is one of those things that made me understand this. Nothing like spending weeks to get your hackintosh working smoothly with all the hardware just to find out that the next update breaks everything. I've come to see it as a necessary part of the journey

In my experience, doing a hackintosh actually teaches you that Apple hardware is not that special and macOS works only because they make it easy for themselves.

Then it becomes clear that if you don't really have an absolute need for macOS it is not worth the trouble since Windows/Linux actually make better use of the hardware with little trouble in comparison. By extension you develop a feeling that desktops Mac are really overpriced and don't have much of an advantage in the Apple Silicon age, since efficiency don't get you much but the performance delta for a given price is insane.

In fact, buying a PC that is equivalent to a base Mac Studio will cost you 1k euros less, even if you go with "nice but not that necessary" things (especially for a personal computer, like 10G networking).

But yeah, you also learn that it's better to not waste time trying to confort to Apple agenda, but that's also true for real Macs in my opinion.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by seec »

sangnoir wrote: post #89
carlosjobim wrote: post #52

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Macs are very expensive in some parts of the world, where other computer brands are affordable. A hackintosh could be a good option, and when somebody learns to do it well they could do it for others for money. Not only installing MacOS on PCs, but also installing newer versions of MacOS on Macs that are officially not supported anymore.

> A hackintosh could be a good option, and when somebody learns to do it well they could do it for others for money Apple thoroughly screwed over Mac developers that the only compelling software that's exclusive to MacOS is developed by Apple themselves[1], IMO. Even those packages have equivalent (or better) alternatives on Windows. Macs used to be the platform for DTP, audio and video production - now all the 3rd p…

I couldn't agree more. I started my life buying/using Macs but nowadays I wonder why people make the financial effort considering the very large premium even though Macs don't do anything much better anymore.

You are right that the main driver is probably Logic. Final Cut is being largely replaced by BlackMagic and Adobe softwares (because they work everywhere and integrate better with other things people care about). Avid software works just as well on PC. As for the desktop publishing stuff, this is a use case so trivial (and in some ways displayed by web tools) and so dominated by Adobe that it feels Adobe is really doing Apple a favor in keeping their software update/optimized on time.

In my opinion/experience, they keep selling them because it is very hard for people to change. Most keep using them because this is what they are used to and similar reasons.

This is where Apple is very shortsighted and acting pretty stupid, you can see the young largely ignoring Apple computers because they are way too expensive, I believe they have permanently eroded their domination even in the media industries, because even though they have the money it won't take long to notice they can keep doing the same quality work even if they buy hardware half as expensive because it makes no difference to their young workers.

Apple premium pricing was a historical artifact of always being on the bleeding edge and being one step ahead of the competition for many things. Now, aside of the silicon (that has some advantage for the laptop in the form of battery life, but not really any for the desktop) it doesn't feel like they are ahead for anything.

In fact, when you take a hard look, you realize they are selling update of stuff that were designed 10 to 15 years ago and not much has changed when the PC industry as a whole has evolved quite a lot.

What is strong though, is the delusions of people defending their extortionate price for whatever ridiculous reason they can think of at the moment.

Don't get me wrong, I think Macs are ok for the most part, just not at their current price, especially in Europe (France).

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