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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by mkesper »

willdr wrote: post #289
blfr wrote: post #261

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I also use Linux on all my machines but that's because (perhaps after years of tinkering) it is currently the most turn-key laptop/desktop OS. Things just work, they don't break without a good reason, and weird limitations don't randomly pop up. Windows at work, despite being maintained by professional helpdesk staff, or Macs my family have, with all the ease of use designed by Apple in California , are not like that…

If you sincerely believe this, you've tinkered enough that the massive knowledge barrier that is Linux seems like nothing to you. I would never sit my 70 year old mother down in front of a Linux machine. We're not at "caring that video files download too slowly" - we're at "how do I put a file on a USB".

It really works very well for my father-in-law and he's over 75 now. Debian gives me a peace of mind I would never have with him using Windows.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by kemotep »

lupusreal wrote: post #468
cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #327

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I mean this in the nicest possible way: 5 years is likely not long enough for the “just work, stupid” desire to really, really, really set in. Nor is a couple of months enough time for the potential rough edges of desktop Linux to set in.

After 17 years of using Linux I realized that I was tired of tinkering with shit, so I caved and bought a macbook air. Not even two years later I was back on Linux, because I realized that the amount of tinkering I do on Linux is actually very small; the experience I already paid my time for means that Linux is simply easy for me to use, while MacOS is a pain in the ass in innumerable small unexpected ways. The path…

I work in IT, so I’m paid for my time to solve all kinds of issues with Windows. At home, such issues are unpaid work. Linux has the advantage of having issues be mostly of my own choosing. Stick to the golden path and you’ll hardly ever have them. And the easy configuration and recovery options allow you to jump into a new install with minimal hassle.

Everyone will have the same headaches with Windows as Microsoft’s choices are required these days. Millions of people have quite lucrative jobs solving them. I’d rather not bring work home so I run Linux.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by bhavikjadav »

Was building hackintosh' since 2011, mostly intel based, my i3 h370 is still working strong. I was running macOS till the "M" series came out and the next day i swapped it out. Gifted the hackintosh' to my desinger friend. I do miss the days when i had time to figure out each and every bit of things needed. Nowadays, i am running windows.

Edit: Left building hackintosh' in 2019 before covid hit. Been building them for friend and family.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by yieldcrv »

steve1977 wrote: post #457
yieldcrv wrote: post #424

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because it means enough people were spurred into action because they already use this ecosystem

Ah you mean end users have already updated their devices? I first understood it in the sense of developers have already updated their software.

developers have already updated their software. by early 2021 a few months after the first M1 came out

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by bmitc »

int_19h wrote: post #245
bmitc wrote: post #139

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Yes. Everyone knows that. But that doesn't uninstall the application. It just deletes the top files. It doesn't remove any caching or configurations or other files in other parts of the system like a Windows uninstaller does. To do that on macOS, there are third-party apps that provide this functionality.

Windows uninstallers generally don't remove configurations and cached data, either.

Not in my experience, the majority of the time. Those that don't are usually Linux ported apps that don't utilize the install functionality properly. The point is that the OS provides the tools to do so.

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Post by resource_waste »

sgarland wrote: post #482
resource_waste wrote: post #462

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It is _stable_, not outdated. You are practically guaranteed that if you’re running Debian Stable, and live only within the official apt ecosystem, you will not have software-based instability.

Grandma doesn't care about this. They just want their screen to work.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by johnklos »

nxobject wrote: post #426
johnklos wrote: post #270

Some of the first Hackintoshes, and the origin of the term "Hackintosh", were from the practice of putting Mac motherboards in to non-Mac cases, often using non-Mac hardware. For instance, "Macintosh Repair & Upgrade Secrets" showed me how to use a TTL / Hercules monitor with a motherboard that came out of a Mac Classic with a broken picture tube. I used that machine for years. > While I knew about and even tried var…

Have you read Bob Brant's Build Your Own Macintosh and Save a Bundle [1]? The man was a proponent of having the only Apple part in your build be the logic board, and using as many commodity PC parts as possible – I remember one of the builds started with a Macintosh SE logic board that ran "headless" with a (Radius?) video card in a generic AT/XT case, with everything else (drives, PSU, etc.) commodity PC. Pure wizar…

I had my library get that book, and it helped with all sorts of projects. What an awesome book :D

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by ricardobeat »

jupp0r wrote: post #59
ricardobeat wrote: post #36

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> it is almost an unusably bad experience to simply browse the web and move files around Cannot relate at all. "Move files around" is essentially the same on Windows and Mac, except on the Mac I have a UNIX shell. Browsers also behave exactly the same on every platform, and Safari is snappy and the least memory-hungry of all. What is it about?

Have you ever needed to perform a reliable recursive directory copy between two drives on Windows? I have and it turned out to be a comically complicated task. Robocopy helps but als has its edge cases you need to handle. Also long path names become problematic (MAX_PATH etc).

The comment I replied to was arguing that Mac file management sucks, no the other way around.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by ricardobeat »

bmitc wrote: post #139
lm411 wrote: post #132

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> There's not even a built-in way to uninstall programs in macOS. It's bizarre. You literally just drag the app to the trash can. Properly sandboxed Mac apps are a delight to uninstall. Yes, some apps are more difficult, but those are usually Windows apps that are crudely ported to MacOS and that's on the developers for not creating proper MacOS apps.

Yes. Everyone knows that. But that doesn't uninstall the application. It just deletes the top files. It doesn't remove any caching or configurations or other files in other parts of the system like a Windows uninstaller does. To do that on macOS, there are third-party apps that provide this functionality.

This is by design. Mac apps don't leave tons of trash around like their windows counterparts. Only some config files, always in a standard location. So when you reinstall, everything just works. Your data lives in iCloud or the documents folder, and is not meant to be deleted when you uninstall.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by mattl »

josteink wrote: post #490
mattl wrote: post #455

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Windows installer images have some files too large for most tools to understand and also I believe the USB stick needs to be exFAT formatted too. Virtually any tool for making a USB stick would fail in various ways on macOS.

> Windows installer images have some files too large … I believe the USB stick needs to be exFAT formatted That’s true. I forgot! While it’s not part of the UEFI spec many (most?) consumer BIOSes will be able to UEFI boot from NTFS as well, so formatting as that might also be an option. Both that and exfat should be easy to do on Linux. No idea about MacOS. Which brings me to > too large for most tools to understand…

I don’t know if you can just copy the files over. It seems you also need to make the USB stick bootable?

There’s dozens of guides on doing this on a Mac, they all seem outdated. I found a tool called WinDiskWriter on GitHub and it was the only GUI tool that worked.

Suspect there’s more to it than just cp. There’s wimlib too for handling the larger files on the install ISO.

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